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2018midmom said:
The answer to appointment without nom is no. Must have nom. The supe can nom but doesn't have to and in some circumstances as described cannot. If a desired candidate does not have a nom supe can nominate.
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Correct. The way I read JShawshank's post is that if a candidate did not have a nom (MOC, Presidential, VP, etc) then there was still a way for a candidate to obtain an appointment through a supe nom. I think you all said the same thing, just in different ways. :thumb:
 
Aveon said:
Correct. The way I read JShawshank's post is that if a candidate did not have a nom (MOC, Presidential, VP, etc) then there was still a way for a candidate to obtain an appointment through a supe nom. I think you all said the same thing, just in different ways. :thumb:
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I agree. I was responding to prepswimmom
 
momof2017er said:
Does an LOA trump a principal nom?
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It was always my understanding that an LOA does not trump a principal nom. For that reason, an MOC could name a principal and put the LOA recipient lower on the list, thus making it possible for both candidates to be appointed. I suppose that there would be some shuffling around as to where the nomination would actually be charged if the MOC only has the one slot to fill.

Unfortunately, it seems that this year a principal nom doesn't really mean anything. Of course, nobody is notified that they are indeed 3Q'd, so maybe admissions is determining that these principal nominees are not scholastically qualified. But if these candidates had good CFA scores, passed DODMERB, and had outstanding test scores, gpa's and plenty of extracurriculars with leadership experience (assuming that the letters of recommendation were good), it makes me wonder. I certainly hope that those appointments that should have gone to principal nominees did not go to less qualified candidates simply because they were recruited athletes!
 
Prepswimmom said:
That may be true for a civilian college - wasting scholarship money. But what do they dangle in front of a kid being recruited for an SA? Certainly not a scholarship to defray costs.
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Two years ago there was a RA at DS' school. One of those schools recruiting him was a SA. The athlete was offered a partial scholarship to the civilian school, and parents still could not afford to send him. He ended up going to the SA to play.
 
and we wait for another day. I think I need to get some nervous energy out by mopping the floors.
 
Prepswimmom:

My son is a student/athlete being recruited by both civilian schools and USNA. In the majority of the cases most civilian schools do not provide student/athletes full athletic scholarships. As a RA to USNA, not only would my son have the opportunity to serve as an officer in the USN/USMC and receive a first-rate education, he would be able to do all that free of charge (to me and his mother). This is why the SAs get a lot of attention from RAs.
 
JJBsDad said:
Prepswimmom:

My son is a student/athlete being recruited by both civilian schools and USNA. In the majority of the cases most civilian schools do not provide student/athletes full athletic scholarships. As a RA to USNA, not only would my son have the opportunity to serve as an officer in the USN/USMC and receive a first-rate education, he would be able to do all that free of charge (to me and his mother). This is why the SAs get a lot of attention from RAs.
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Agreed. And don't make the assumption that just because they are a recruited athlete that they are less qualified. My son was not an RA, but did reach out to the coach and will play D1 sports at the academy.
 
currey feel free to come over here and mop my floors if you need to expend other energy. ;)

good luck with the wait.
 
Spark said:
Agreed. And don't make the assumption that just because they are a recruited athlete that they are less qualified. My son was not an RA, but did reach out to the coach and will play D1 sports at the academy.
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Spark, I hope you didn't think that I was making such an assumption in my post. There are many, many fine athletes who are outstanding scholars and well-rounded people. My comment was regarding the principal nominees who should have received appointments but were wait listed instead.

One thing I have learned through this whole process is that we have an abundance of fantastic young people who are the hope of the future of our nation. And the fact that many of them don't receive appointments to service academies is simply because there are too many qualified candidates for the number of available openings. It is encouraging to see so many fine young men and women who wish to serve their country.
 
Still waiting in NH! Currey I just finished cleaning all the bathrooms! At this point I think about the mail delivery far too much throughout the day and then open our oversized mailbox in slow motion with one eye closed...this has to end soon
 
Prepswimmom said:
That may be true for a civilian college - wasting scholarship money. But what do they dangle in front of a kid being recruited for an SA?
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Perhaps the opportunity to serve our great country...the same thing they dangle in front of all our children. There are many fine officers who were once "recruited athletes" just as there are marginal officers who excelled academically. Please don't assume that those who are recruited aren't there for the right reasons.
 
cheers said:
Perhaps the opportunity to serve our great country...the same thing they dangle in front of all our children. There are many fine officers who were once "recruited athletes" just as there are marginal officers who excelled academically. Please don't assume that those who are recruited aren't there for the right reasons.
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+1

hopefull for all
 
JJBsDad said:
Prepswimmom:

My son is a student/athlete being recruited by both civilian schools and USNA. In the majority of the cases most civilian schools do not provide student/athletes full athletic scholarships. As a RA to USNA, not only would my son have the opportunity to serve as an officer in the USN/USMC and receive a first-rate education, he would be able to do all that free of charge (to me and his mother). This is why the SAs get a lot of attention from RAs.
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I apologize if my stance on RA's angers or frustrates some of you. I am not saying RA's will make bad officers, or that they are all sub-par academically neither am I only peeved about RA's at service academies. As I have said in previous posts it is just something that bugs me in general. Always has always will...one of my quirks!
 
For Primary/Principle Nominees on the Wait List

I copied this over from the thread I originally posted on. I figured there are people on this thread that want to know the information I received today.

I went to my Senator's office today to speak to the staffer in charge of Military Academy Nominations Committee. She was very informative and apologetic in what happened regarding my DS so for all who want to know this is what was told to me:

In October of last year candidates that got their applications in became part of the Early Action Program. The program is for any student that completes their application prior to a certain date in October. Those students are eligible to be appointed between December to March. After March the students appointed were candidates that got their applications after the EAP date. EAP students needed to have qualified in all three stages to be appointed. If the EAP candidate is in competition with another EAP candidate and one of those candidates has a primary/principle nomination then the candidate with the primary nomination would get the appointment. If the EAP candidate's competition are all EAP nominees but none are primary then the Admissions board will chose. In my DS case his application did not go in until late November. He wanted to make sure he had the perfect essay before submitting it. Also when the Admissions board looked at the applications available at the time my DS application was on hold because of a medical remedial which was settled several weeks later making him fully qualified with a primary nomination. So because of timing and being fully qualified with a nomination, didn't matter what type and since my DS was not 3Q yet, the EAP candidate received the first slot available by our Senator. Now for the second slot. Well thanks to great minds, people upstairs decided that a redistricting should occur this year. It commonly doesn't effect my state but for some reason because of POTUS budget cuts my state was affected. This now causes my Senator to lose a slot so from two slots he now goes down to one which was already taken by the EAP candidate and my DS ends up on the waitlist. The sad thing is that the Early Action Program was never mentioned during any of the Military Academy Admissions meeting and also it was always stated that Naval Academy was a rolling application which meant it didn't matter when your application went in as long its in before 1-31. My DS and family was invited to this years Military Academy Admissions to formally receive his appointment to USAFA. I will make sure next years candidates will know about the EAP program and what could happen.

So the positive things I heard:
Very few appointees have taken their appointment at this time. Wait listed candidates should find out by mid-May especially if you are a primary/principle nominee. My DS still has a very good chance to get in and he has an appointment to USAFA which I thought would be harder to get because of the amount of applicants choosing USAFA over USNA in my state. So if he does get an appointment to USNA he will decide which one is the best fit for him. Hopefully this ordeal will not bitter his taste for USNA.
 
808Dad,

Thanks for taking the time to explain this in detail to everyone here. EAP was never mentioned anywhere that we saw, either.

If that continues to be the case in future years (EAP), I suppose most candidates should consider October the deadline.
 
Thank you, 808, for sharing. Very curious situation.

Like the others, I understood USNA admissions to be rolling, no early deadline, but great benefit to completing your file early because it would be considered when completed then at subsequent review boards. Other posts on this thread suggest that is not the case. DS's application was complete in September (BGO interview report was final item). Medical waiver, though, wasn't issued until mid-October, so that probably held up consideration of his file. He's on the WL. His nominations were competitive slates, if I understand correctly.
 
BFL - Finally .....

DS finally received BFE yesterday ... talk about "snail mail"; he got the phone call from MOC on 28 March ... keep the faith!
 
808DAD.....I could understand how redistricting could effect a Congressman, but a Senator? Isn't as simple as 2 Senators per state?
 
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