The Waiting List

USNA2024Hopeful said:
Oh ok gotcha! Just asking maybe if they were actually informing some people. Our status on both portals may actually stay that way until we hear back either way with a denial or actual appointment. I’m still waiting as well...CPR and a medical DQ, that I hope the Academy seeks a waiver for. Good luck to you!!
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Good luck to you as well!
 
candidate3256 said:
Great info, but I just want to be clear that leadership roles DO NOT carry over from hs? I had a lot going in this round and just want to be sure. And it seems weird as a re app that you’d only really have grades and test scores and very few places to exhibit other things considering it’s your first year of college.
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In your re-applicant candidate activities sheet, you put everything you did from the start of high school (basically put what put in your initial application + the activities you do spring senior year, summer before college, during college, etc.. all the way up to the Jan. 31 deadline of your re-application cycle).

In other words, all your HS stuff is not a waste. ALL HS activities/leadership roles "carry over", but you have to put them back into the activities sheet yourself, not your admissions counselor.
 
Here’s how I’m choosing to look at it. In my eyes USNA is my dream school and I’m sure many others on this forum would agree. From reading previous posts and talking to some midshipmen, being wait listed is a positive thing in many cases. The fact that the academy has 3Q’d you however simply cannot offer a spot due to volume is a good sign. If it takes a year or two in college to better yourself morally, mentally, and physically then it is most likely for the best. Some of the Mids that I have talked to have even said they would have almost rather taken a year at a civilian college to gain credits allowing them focus more on their military training at the academy. That being said, the wait has lengthened and many of us will not receive appointments. However, I have decided to not let it stray my course! Best of luck to everyone on the WL and those waiting for waivers!
 
Unsure if you are wanting to start a list... but here is what I have:

daytonb5 / SELF / 6 APR 20
Hansoja2 / SELF / 6 APR 20
Coylerob / DS / 6 APR 20
FlyingTigerMom / DS / unknown (chose USAFA Appt)
Navybrat71 / DD / 6 APR 20
xc2024 /SELF / 6 APR 20
BarryD /SELF/ 6 APR 20 (3rd cycle applying)
USEYTsailor / SELF/ 6 APR 20
Sixhair
HopefulMidMom / DD/6 APR 20
Beachmom2024
tc46
NavyXC
NEED2KNoMo
 
If I am currently under waiver review but was waitlisted, does this give a favorable outlook for getting a waiver? I know no one knows for sure, I just don't know if my situation is unique.
 
Now of us know. It really would depend what you need waives. No need to answer here. Wait list indicates you were competitive and that means waiver consideration. Some never even get looked at for a waiver, so it’s a good thing.
 
2023applicant said:
It’s a positive thing until you’re already a reapplicant...
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I think it's still positive. (Frustrating to be sure, but still positive.) I mean, if Admissions didn't like you, it'd be a TWE straight off. Getting waitlisted is positive feedback, really almost seems like them asking you to reapply. DS knows other mids in his class who reapplied repeatedly, and got in on 3rd and 4th tries.
 
Sixhair said:
After sending a waitlist confirmation email to nomapps, do they send you an email back confirming they received your email?
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I haven't received one yet but they're probably receiving a lot of emails so don't worry! Good luck to you!
 
xc2024 said:
If I am currently under waiver review but was waitlisted, does this give a favorable outlook for getting a waiver? I know no one knows for sure, I just don't know if my situation is unique.
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DS is also under waiver review...seems like a good chance for waiver, but who knows???
 
arizonapride said:
Someone might have a better answer than me, but I'm pretty sure if you're waitlisted then you are in the national pool, meaning someone else won your slate but you are triple qualified and thus competitive for an offer.
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Actually, there is no "national pool." The Academies can only appoint from the individual nomination slates. Each member of Congress can have five people in the Academy at one time. So every year one or two slots open. If you are the number two in your slate and the number one accepts an appointment, and that congressman only has one slot, by law, the Academy can not put the number two person in. Even if they are more qualified than a number one from a different slate. Bottom line, you have to get in from one of your nomination slates. There is no "fill in the blank" process at the end to give out the rest of the slots. If there are slots unfilled, it is just a smaller class that year.
 
sxs said:
Actually, there is no "national pool." The Academies can only appoint from the individual nomination slates. Each member of Congress can have five people in the Academy at one time. So every year one or two slots open. If you are the number two in your slate and the number one accepts an appointment, and that congressman only has one slot, by law, the Academy can not put the number two person in. Even if they are more qualified than a number one from a different slate. Bottom line, you have to get in from one of your nomination slates. There is no "fill in the blank" process at the end to give out the rest of the slots. If there are slots unfilled, it is just a smaller class that year.
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I understand what you are getting at.... and it is definitely written that way in the CFRs https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/32/575.3 but I don't think that is necessarily adhered to all the way to the end... BGOs and coaches have told me "if you don't have a nomination, they will find you one."
 
sxs said:
Actually, there is no "national pool." The Academies can only appoint from the individual nomination slates. Each member of Congress can have five people in the Academy at one time. So every year one or two slots open. If you are the number two in your slate and the number one accepts an appointment, and that congressman only has one slot, by law, the Academy can not put the number two person in. Even if they are more qualified than a number one from a different slate. Bottom line, you have to get in from one of your nomination slates. There is no "fill in the blank" process at the end to give out the rest of the slots. If there are slots unfilled, it is just a smaller class that year.
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Not true at all! Many other Nomination sources other than MOC
 
Maybe he is referring to this portion.
10 U.S. Code § 9442
2. (b) (5)

150 selected by the Secretary of the Air Force in order of merit (prescribed pursuant to section 9443 of this title) from qualified alternates nominated by persons named in paragraphs (3) and (4) of subsection (a).
 
sxs said:
Actually, there is no "national pool." The Academies can only appoint from the individual nomination slates. Each member of Congress can have five people in the Academy at one time. So every year one or two slots open. If you are the number two in your slate and the number one accepts an appointment, and that congressman only has one slot, by law, the Academy can not put the number two person in. Even if they are more qualified than a number one from a different slate. Bottom line, you have to get in from one of your nomination slates. There is no "fill in the blank" process at the end to give out the rest of the slots. If there are slots unfilled, it is just a smaller class that year.
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A key distinction is that if there is just 1 slot available for an elected official to fill, then only 1 fully qualified person on the slate can be charged to that elected official in that admissions cycle. Other fully qualified applicants, “qualified alternates,” on the slate go into a category, a pool, a NWL, along with every other applicant in that same position across the nation. The SAs who have the authority can appoint an additional 150 out of this group/pool according to order of merit. Their appointments are charged not to the elected official, but to this authority, though they are on the elected official’s slate.

The reference below has a good description of the various nom sources available to applicants, as well as some of the unique aspects of USMMA, and the nomination methods available to the elected official. Pages 9-10 are helpful.

And if anyone is ever looking for the statutory variation that allows USNA to not have to go along with the principal nom, unlike USMA and USAFA, it’s in the footnotes.


Lastly, if USNA “finds a nom,” that could mean dipping into the Superintendent’s discretionary noms, assigning one of the VP noms they control on behalf of the VP or a few other magical strategies.
 
Can someone provide further clarification? I'm struggling to understand the concept that being placed in the waitlist signals a favorable outlook on reapplication.

I am still in CPR and have come to look at another year of growth as an opportunity rather than something to be upset over. Therefore, I was slightly concerned when seeing I'm somewhat at a disadvantage because I wasn't placed on the waitlist. Being in CPR I am technically still in the running for a BFE, however unlikely, so how can that be viewed as a worse situation than the waitlist? Thanks.
 
NBaumoel said:
Can someone provide further clarification? I'm struggling to understand the concept that being placed in the waitlist signals a favorable outlook on reapplication.

I am still in CPR and have come to look at another year of growth as an opportunity rather than something to be upset over. Therefore, I was slightly concerned when seeing I'm somewhat at a disadvantage because I wasn't placed on the waitlist. Being in CPR I am technically still in the running for a BFE, however unlikely, so how can that be viewed as a worse situation than the waitlist? Thanks.
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Think about it this way - those on the waitlist have had their potential acknowledged by USNA but are not given a direct spot because of some factors (slate competitiveness, for example). Being on the waitlist means that your chance for an appointment this cycle is very slim, but if you chose to reapply I would imagine you would have a good chance of getting in.

Those who are still CPR will either be offered a spot (possibly in NAPS) or turned down. I'm not sure how true this is, but I've heard that being CPR late in the game is a positive reflection of your application - you have nothing that would warrant a TWE early on. Most appointments are given in late February to March (directly from admissions brief), however, some are definitely still given out around this time. No way of knowing exactly what your chances are now.

Really, nobody knows how these spots are determined or given exactly except for admissions. It's hard to say which situation is "worse."

If you're CPR, at least you'll know the final result in the next week or so. People on the waitlist may not be as lucky.
 
sxs said:
Actually, there is no "national pool." The Academies can only appoint from the individual nomination slates. Each member of Congress can have five people in the Academy at one time. So every year one or two slots open. If you are the number two in your slate and the number one accepts an appointment, and that congressman only has one slot, by law, the Academy can not put the number two person in. Even if they are more qualified than a number one from a different slate. Bottom line, you have to get in from one of your nomination slates. There is no "fill in the blank" process at the end to give out the rest of the slots. If there are slots unfilled, it is just a smaller class that year.
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This is totally incorrect. Technically their are two different pools that are authorized.

Generally how a class is formed:

MOC Openings. 650 (Assuming 20% a year have two slots)
Presidential: 100 (Sons & Daughters of career service personnel)
Service Connected 200 (Active Duty, ROTC, Army Reserve, National Guard)

Qualified Alternates 150 (This is what is generally called getting in from the NWL. The next 150 applicants by OML are offered.
Additional Appointees The delta between the those offered above and the size the class needs to be. The academy can chose between any qualified candidate without regard to the OML. This is typically where LOA holders, Prepsters, recruited athletes, Foundation Scholars, Diversity Candidates get slotted. The only requirement is a 2/3 to 1/3 ratio between Congressional and Service Connected nomination holders.

Their is exactly a fill in the blank process at the end of the cycle. The class size is determined based on the overall strength of the Brigade/Corps of Cadets. They want to fill the class each year because attrition will always reduce the numbers.

Keep in mind that the process is not linear. They do not go through each line and move to the next. It is all happening at the same time.

So why would getting placed on the waitlist mean anything at USNA? (Note that it is not the same thin as people refer to as the NWL. This seems unique to USNA. USMA does not do this step) It is more likely that you just missed one of the slots above and someone may not accept in the coming weeks. The flip side is just because you were number two this year does not mean you will be number 1ext year. You have to keep working hard.
 
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