Discussion in 'Academy/Military News' started by Zaphod, May 25, 2010.
Now they can't even do Herndon right!
Absolutely fracking pathetic.
That means all subsequent classes will forever be plebes....RIGHT?
Why not just put a stepladder next to the damned monument. Be sure to include safety rails, a harness, and make the climber wear a helmet!
You forgot the wheelchair ramp....
Bah. Screw it.
Call Otis Elevator and have them address it...
Good riddance to Adm. Fowler.
Someone refresh my memory....
Was he the guy that came in and wen all Nuke on the place, with mandatory study hours and such?
I never agree with your political postings, but you are most justifiably upset about the Herndon deal. I was at VMI when the Breakout changed from a crawl up a muddy hill to a much weaker, more "professional" march and group leadership exercise. At least there, the decision to change came from the majority of the Corps (although there was a large vocal minority opposed to it). I could most certainly respect the decision to remove the lard from Herndon, or to do away with it altogether, if it came from the Brigade. This clearly is not the case. As a Naptown native, I'm familiar with the tenure of this Supe, and he has obviously made several bad decisions (just read the many threads about the football player/drug scandal). Indeed, Adm. Fowler appears to have made yet another bad choice with Herndon, and I'm sure the alumni of USNA are rightfully upset. 70 years of tradition should not have been so swiftly pushed aside. How many injuries occur on average anyway? These guys are training to be Navy and Marine Corps officers...I don't know the reason for such an eggshell mentality with the USNA administration.
Herndon used to be for the mids. The parents seem to have taken it over. Adm Fowler has made several mandates to return the Brigade to the midshipmen. Perhaps this is one of them.
Hey Zaph. How do you really feel? Just remember the hitchhiker's guide.
Good bye tradition in America with attitudes like this...
Thanks for the progressive view, all participants win a prize....I wonder if Al Qaeda relaxed training in honor of this....
I think its sad to just discard traditions that have great meaning to so many people and certainly in this case the alledged risk of serious injury does not seem to be backed up in any way by the experience of a few decades of history.
That said I dont think we need blow things out of all proportion, I dont think it could be said to be either a wussification of the Officer Corp or providing any kind of strategic benefit to Al Qaeda if a few hundred mids no longer spend 3 hours trying to scale a lard covered obelisk...
I wouldn't be too quick to lay all of this on Adm Fowler. If you will remember, doing away with the Herndon climb was on Capt Klein's agenda from the very beginning. My guess is that the professional development gurus want it replaced with the sea trials and Adm Fowler has basically deferred it to his successor.
Well, no one's perfect.
Well, hopefully it will leave along with Fowler.
How so? Plebes LONGED for the challenge of beating the time of their uperclassmen for bragging rights.
There is NO WAY the Brigade would support such a stupid idea as this.
I'm not panicking. This is still the culture shock!
It's about morale, which affects EVERYTHING.
This class has just been told, "Sorry, but we're going to baby you because we don't want you to get hurt. Be good children and run along. You're not as good as all the folks before you."
Why have the ceremony now anyway? Just HAND them the damned cover and be done with it. Do it on I-Day and avoid the stresses of Plebe Year altogether.
Oh, so he screwed everything up and then kicked the can down the road for someone else to deal with, eh?
He should run for Congress.
I agree. I feel bad for the 2013 guys. They are sure to hear crap about it for a while, and it's not like it was something they could control.
They'll never hear the end of it, and as you said, it's particularly bad because they had no say.
What has happened to my beloved Academy? Drug scandals, football players getting away with honor violations, rapes, and now Herndon.
You know, if stuff like this happened aboard a ship, the CO would be relieved for "loss of confidence in their ability to command".
ETA: You know, the more I think about it, the more I wonder if this is something that will rarely be brought up "against" 2013, but that they will ALWAYS be aware about. Man, it SUCKS to be them right now.
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