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Turning a serious analytical eye on this.. I think Mav would classify himself as an “operator,” with little interest in becoming a competent staff officer. You can be the greatest operator in the world on sea duty, but at some point, you have to learn to navigate and win policy/funding/priority battles in the Puzzle Palace and other major staffs, collecting your joint officer designation (imagine Mav on joint duty), Master’s degree (Mav thoughtfully writing his thesis), developing senior mentors, etc.

With a naval aviation warfare specialty, he would have had to have command as a captain (O-6) at sea to make flag. If he’s a captain at Top Gun, could be he’s just doing a shore tour before heading to his air wing command. He can’t be a carrier skipper unless he does the nuke pipeline for that. In that case, he’s still a player for flag. Or he could be terminal, on his last shore tour before retiring. He’s been on active duty, at least since 1986 and a few years before, so he may already be exceeding his DOPMA time in grade restrictions. Captains may stay to 30 years. Beyond that, they have to have some special skill set and receive special approval. That’s true for all officers who reach mandatory retirement time in grade - think of Admirals Grace Hopper and Hyman Rickover.

As a wise flag once told me, “Promotions are a vote for what you can do for the Navy in the future and what skills sets it’s going to need, not a reward for past performance, though that is key to being considered.” There have been thousands upon thousands of captains and colonels, superb leaders, impeccable records, wonderful people, brilliant minds, who do not squeeze through that tiny opening to FOGO rank, because the Service, that year, does not need another budget whiz, or strategic planner, or ops ace, as a senior leader. In the Navy, if you have had major command at the rank of captain, you are considered to have had a perfectly successful career.

Sadly, Mav may not be flag material...this year.
 
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"...he may already be exceeding his DOPMA time in grade restrictions..."

+100 to Capt MJ !
 
Perhaps a call sign of “Geezer” rings more true. Of course, I’m older than he, no doubt teetering at grave’s edge in the eyes of many, so I’ll give him his Mav.
 
Why didn't Maverick make admiral?
> CAPT MJ gave the textbook , and correct answer..now we can have fun this one....

First, there is usually some element of accuracy in a callsign, and a callsign like "Maverick" certainly isn't a harbinger of success in a service that is pretty regimented and slow to change. The Navy needs mavericks, but they rarely rise to Flag rank.

Second, Maverick was a good stick, but lacked common sense and judgment. Perhaps the loss of Goose would have turned him around and made him a little more reflective than instinctive in his decision making, but despite his combat record, probably wouldn't have screened for command.

On the other hand, let's say he had the perfect career. 4.0 fitreps since a JO, screens for squadron command and does a bang up job, goes on to the Carrier command pipeline, as a XO of carrier, does another bang up job and the troops love him. Then gets a Carrier command...heading on to big things, but right before deployment some of the Focsle Funnies (Google them - some are hilarious...if you understand military humor) he did as XO are leaked to the press, and all of a sudden hot running Skipper is a pariah, to be shunned and thrown under the bus by the Admirals club. Career is flushed down the drain and quietly shown the door. Moral of the story, you can do everything right, be the second incarnation of Chester Nimitz (who incidentally, ran a ship aground as a young skipper), and not make Flag in todays PC/zero defect Navy.
 
Wait a minute... you guys are forgetting that Maverick went back to school, got a law degree and became a famous lawyer for successfully defending some Marines charged with murder. As I understand it, he left the Navy and joined a prestigious law firm in Memphis, TN. After he learns about some illegal activity at this firm, he worked with the FBI to expose and convict them. Disillusioned with civilian life, he went back to the service joining the Army as a Military Police Officer. He had to change his name to Jack Reacher based on the witness protection program. Reacher proved to be just as much a "maverick" in the Army and eventually separated as a Major. He continues to fight for truth, justice and the American way as he travels across the U.S.
 
So you CAN cross-commission Navy to Army. I have a secret weakness for Lee Child’s Jack Reacher books, but I cannot reconcile Jack’s massive height, strength and wingspan with Tom Cruise.
 
Aviators are not the only ones with call signs. While doing work ups for a deployment the comms chief walked around with a clip board asking the detachment commanders what their call sign was. I had used it once before so blurted out Crusader. The Gunny said, ok doc but that won't go over good over there, but I like it.

I didn't make master chief not because of a renegade call sign but a knee injury on a bad EOD op and a subsequent medical board. By the time I got back to full duty, the war had passed me by and I had no "what have you done for me lately " in my fitness report.

Maverick was truly an operator, albeit having to sit on a phone book to see over the instrument panel.
 
Wait a minute... you guys are forgetting that Maverick went back to school, got a law degree and became a famous lawyer for successfully defending some Marines charged with murder. As I understand it, he left the Navy and joined a prestigious law firm in Memphis, TN. After he learns about some illegal activity at this firm, he worked with the FBI to expose and convict them. Disillusioned with civilian life, he went back to the service joining the Army as a Military Police Officer. He had to change his name to Jack Reacher based on the witness protection program. Reacher proved to be just as much a "maverick" in the Army and eventually separated as a Major. He continues to fight for truth, justice and the American way as he travels across the U.S.

You forget. . . Tom Cruise started his career dancing in his underwear . . . (whitie tidies) . . . with Rebecca De Mornay doing some "Risky Business" . . .
 
You forget. . . Tom Cruise started his career dancing in his underwear . . . (whitie tidies) . . . with Rebecca De Mornay doing some "Risky Business" . . .

Sir... I thought Tom Cruise started out his career as one of the military school students who take over their school when the board of visitors decide to shut it down?
 
Sir... I thought Tom Cruise started out his career as one of the military school students who take over their school when the board of visitors decide to shut it down?
" Taps" (1981)
"Risky Business" (1983)
 
@GoCubbies for the win.

Taps was an awful movie, though.
Timothy Hutton as the "strong leader", Tom Cruise in a silly red beret, and Sean Penn as the only rational one, there.
Bah!

Yep. Agree with all points.

GoCubbies is right. I had put Taps out of my mind ...

. . . Rebecca De Mornay on the other hand . . . [emoji848]
 
Am I the only one who didn't think it was stupid the first time?

Paint a T-38 Talon black, put a red star on the rudder, and call it a "Mig 28". Oh come on!
Everything on the radar screens and seen in the air is called a "bogey", and the "sweep" on the radar screen goes in a complete circle. Please!
There are no trophies handed out at NFWS. Never have been.
Of all the times they showed scary "Mig 28s" firing missiles at those Tomcats, did you EVER see the F-14s deploy chaff or flares? Hello!
I simply cannot count the number of times in that movie where Maverick is walking around outside, in uniform, without a cover!

I mean, I did like seeing those Aluminum Clouds being handled on the flight deck, but they even got that wrong. It must have been an editing thing, but there was at least one cat launch sequence in that movie where a yellow shirt clearly gives a "cut power" signal to Maverick, and the next thing you see is Tom Cruise saluting and getting shot off the cat. Yeesh!

Will I see the movie? Sure. :biggrin:

Top Gun Drinking Games:

1. Someone wears sunglasses indoors? Take a drink.
2. Someone not wearing a shirt? Take a drink.
3. Someone lights a cigar? Take a drink.
4. Plane takes off very loudly? Take a drink.
5. Maverick disobeys an order or regulation? Take a drink.
6. Somebody breaks into song? Take a drink.
7. Character repeats himself ("Woods been hit! Woods been hit!")? Take a drink.
8. Military personnel wearing uniform incorrectly? Take a drink.
9. Somebody talks too close (3 inches or less) to another person in uber-macho posturing? Take a drink.
10. Characters seem way too sweaty (no A/C in 1986?)? Take a drink.

Make sure you play this game when you don't have work the next day, 'cause you're going to get wasted.
 
Tom Cruise is not and never will be Jack Reacher in my book. Even though they combine stories, I do like the movies.

Jack Reacher was written to be a 6'5", 240 lb, blond beast of a man.
Tom Cruise? Horrible casting.
Chris Hemsworth would have been better.
 
Should add:

11. Kelly McGinnis looks pouty... take a drink ... ;-)
 
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