USCGA Class of 2024 Appointment Thread

Thanks @sanman for saying what I was thinking! I understand how intense this process is and it leads to intense emotions but really none of us have the answers anyone rejected is looking for and it would just contribute to shaky conclusions. One thing I have found w this process is the academy folks shoot pretty straight so a conversation with the AO by your child will likely lead to the most actual accurate feedback! I of course hope the best for those who didn’t get the desired admission this year, and if the academy is their place I hope they self prep and try again!
 
Thanks @sanman for saying what I was thinking! I understand how intense this process is and it leads to intense emotions but really none of us have the answers anyone rejected is looking for and it would just contribute to shaky conclusions. One thing I have found w this process is the academy folks shoot pretty straight so a conversation with the AO by your child will likely lead to the most actual accurate feedback! I of course hope the best for those who didn’t get the desired admission this year, and if the academy is their place I hope they self prep and try again!
You said it far more eloquently than I
 
Can some of the folks who were accepted help me out? I am seeking to understand if any SAT scores were below 1300. Would really appreciate if you could provide gender and race. I was told by people on campus that congressional pressure has made it extremely tough on white males to get accepted. Curious if that is BS.

anybody get accepted with an SAT below 1300?
Honestly, I would be surprised to see very many people of any race or gender get accepted with a 1300 or under
 
I have followed these forums for a few years. My oldest son set his sights on the service academies at the age of 13. It was an intense ride. He pushed himself in every aspect; sports, leadership, & academics. He was strong, but not exceptional in any one area. I’d call it well-rounded. He was wait-listed by USCGA; received nominations to USNA and USMA, but was not appointed. We learned all this on April 15th of his Senior year. Plan B was ROTC at a W&J College. After being denied by the academies, his ROTC scholarship was upgraded to a 4-year and the Army transferred it to the only civilian school he applied to. If we knew what we know now - the ROTC route was best for him. He is a 2x All- American Athlete. He chose Pre-Med as his degree path, which is not a great path if going through the academies. He is engaged in his social network and battalion at a high level. In hindsight - I have confidence that the admissions staff know the character and personality that will excel. Despite our initial reaction- our son benefitted from the decisions.

Our second son is a different guy. Same grit, but much more logical with a slightly different demeanor. He was accepted to USCGA via EA. We have no doubt he will excel there.

Best advise I can give any parent is to value the process. If military service is your child’s chosen path - they will find a spot, despite race or gender.
 
Can some of the folks who were accepted help me out? I am seeking to understand if any SAT scores were below 1300. Would really appreciate if you could provide gender and race. I was told by people on campus that congressional pressure has made it extremely tough on white males to get accepted. Curious if that is BS.

anybody get accepted with an SAT below 1300?

At an admissions brief, they said they want a class to be 40% female, 35% minority. The class will be around around 265. They will admit about 60 cadets from CGAS. How many slots does that leave for white males? It depends on how many are at CGAS. It’s not BS. It’s very hard for white males.
 
“ In hindsight - I have confidence that the admissions staff know the character and personality that will excel. Despite our initial reaction- our son benefitted from the decisions.”

Such great insight! Congratulations to your son!!
 
At an admissions brief, they said they want a class to be 40% female, 35% minority. The class will be around around 265. They will admit about 60 cadets from CGAS. How many slots does that leave for white males? It depends on how many are at CGAS. It’s not BS. It’s very hard for white males.

All classes are predominately white males. I’m not sure where your thinking is here??
 
All classes are predominately white males. I’m not sure where your thinking is here??

I’m just quoting what they said. Maybe that’s who gets accepted and if people turn them down, white males come off the wait list?
 
I don’t believe that people are not being offered appointments because they are white males. I am sure it may comforting to some to think that is the reason.
 
I don't know what everyone heard at the different events they attended, but my DD heard they really want at least 1 person from every state and every country that applies. They want people with and without families with military backgrounds. They want people with families who have parents who are college graduates and those that have never attended college. She heard athletes need to be strong on the field and equally strong in the classroom - no special concessions for athletes. She also heard USCGA is very much a STEM school and if you aren't at least taking AP Physics, you need to reconsider your Senior schedule and challenge yourself. She never mentioned any talk of race or gender. Our DD has worked hard and I can't believe her dream has come true! What she wanted wasn't by accident but the chances were slim and the odds are against ALL the amazing kids applying to this school as there are very few slots. We wish everyone all the best and much love.
 
As a data reference, here are some links to class profiles, as well as a typical class profile. If the median SAT score is X, then there have to be some scores below the median, of course. The SAT score is just one contributing factor in the whole scoring algorithm.




This is my point. at this link it says that the Median SAT: Math 649, Critical Reading 613, Writing 605. So with writing no longer part of the equation, let’s call it 650 math and 620 verbal. That’s 1270. Median. So half the class is below this. So explain to me how a young man with 1400, loads of AP classes, 2x captain of his football team gets rejected?

i don’t think that it’s disrespectful to ask for race and gender. It’s a legitimate question. Representative Cummings was issuing subpoenas and introduced legislation (HR3488) to change the admission process to include congressional appointments. He was very focused on minority inclusion. Did that affect the process? It’s a reasonable question. CGA is a public institution and it’s reasonable to ask respectful questions about how these $270,000 scholarships are being allocated.

based on the Academy's own data, I expect over half of the applicants accepted had less than a 1300 SAT. Is my math wrong?
 
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1) TexasAggie204 / DS / 12/10/2019 / PA / Mechanical Engineering / Undecided
2) SwimMom24 / DD / 12/10/2019/ LOA/ Cyber Systems/ WA / Awaiting DODMERB waiver
3) HCopter / DD / 12/10/2019 (call from coach) / No LOA / TX / Cyber Systems / Undecided
4) ProudMom7/ DD / 12/10/2019 / MES / Awaiting DODMERB waiver
5) WhoWouldTakeThisUsername / Self / 12/11/2019 (called me originally on 12/10) / No LOA / OH / Undecided
6) klcm54a / DS / 12/11/19 (called originally on 12/10) / No LOA / AK / Undecided
7) CMS / DS / 12/11/19 / Mechanical Engineering / NJ / Undecided
8) ChaseMe2 / DD / 12/10/2019 / FL / Undecided
9) mamabear2023/ DS / 12/11/2018 / MD/ Undecided
10) torresn199/ Self / 12/13/2019 / Overseas / Government / Undecided
11) cave9269 /DS/ 12/13/2019 / NO LOA / PA / Government / ACCEPTED
12) AnotherSwimMom / DS / 12/13/2019 / No LOA / VA / Cyber Systems / Undecided
13) AngryDoge / Self / 12/13/2019 / Undecided
14) Montanaparent / DS / 12/15/19 (phone call) / MT / Naval Architecture / Undecided
15) Hurstunited21 / Self / 12/16/19 / No LOA / TX / Naval Architecture / Undecided
16) Adopt3/DS/12/16/19/no LOA/LA/Operations Research/Undecided
17) ALmom2024/DS/12/16/19/noLOA/AL/Civil Engineering/Accepted
18) RowingMom/DS/12-16-19/no LOA/FL/Naval Arch & Marine Engr / Undecided
19)Dr.D.OneProudMom/DD/12-14-19 (phone call)/MD/Cyber Systems/ Will ACCEPT
20) PilotTim89 / DD / 12/10/19 / LOA / IN / Mechanical Engineering / Undecided
21) Bubbles/ DD/ 12/13/19/ No LOA/ CO/ MES/ Will Accept
22) ejrcandidate721 / Self / 12/13/19 (phone call) / No LOA / NY / MES / Awaiting DODMERB waiver
23) tycarpen / DS / 12/15/19 (phone call) / No LOA / CA / Cyber Systems / Undecided
24) Dadx4 / DD / 12/14/19 (phone call) / No LOA / VA / MES / Awaiting Formal Notification
25) CarterJames77 / Self / 12/20/19 (phone call) / No LOA / NY / Mechanical Engineering / Awaiting DODMERB waiver
26) 24gobears/DD/ 12/8/19 (phone call)/ No LOA/ CA / Electrical Engineering/ Awaiting formal notification
27) scootertu / DS / 12/15/19 (phone call from track coach) / CA / Naval Architecture / Awaiting DODMERB waiver
28) TigerMoM/DD / 12/20/19 (phone call from AO) / NJ / Marine & Environmental Science / Undecided (waiting for USAFA result)
29) AllSmiles / DS / 12/20/2019 / Bear's Den / NoLOA / PA / Civil Engineering / Conditional DODMERB
30) 2024Fighter / DS /12/20/2019 / Bear's Den / No LOA / OK / Cyber Systems / Undecided - Awaiting DODMERB Review
31) applicant/ self/ 12/20/2019/ Bear’s Den/ No LOA/ KY/ Mechanical Engineering/ Awaiting DODMERB
32) swimmom816 / DD / 12/13/2019 / phone call / No LOA / OH / Naval Architecture / Conditional needing waiver
33) candidate_dad / DD / 12/20/2019 / phone call from coach / NY / Mechanical Engineering / Awaiting medical waiver / Undecided
34) WaterPolo_Dad / DS / 12/17/2019 / text from partner / PA / Operations Research / Undecided (but highly likely)

Congratulations to everyone! Let's keep this thread going with more posts! I like how posts now include method of notification, so I updated #3.
 
Can some of the folks who were accepted help me out? I am seeking to understand if any SAT scores were below 1300. Would really appreciate if you could provide gender and race. I was told by people on campus that congressional pressure has made it extremely tough on white males to get accepted. Curious if that is BS.

anybody get accepted with an SAT below 1300?
The problem with a query like this is that nobody on these boards will know the "actual" answer. That answer lies in the admissions directorate. We can speculate to death "what if, but, perhaps, and..." until we're blue in the face but it won't change anything.

I've had a candidate for USAFA with a 1600 SAT...and the requisite academic background, etc. They did not get an appointment to USAFA. Why I asked? Why his family asked? What was the answer? I never got a precise answer from USAFA/RRS but...without the score he was an "average" okay candidate. The score was the one real standout. I'm going out on a limb here but my "guess" is that when fully evaluated, his package didn't have a high enough score to beat out the others.
This is my point. at this link it says that the Median SAT: Math 649, Critical Reading 613, Writing 605. So with writing no longer part of the equation, let’s call it 650 math and 620 verbal. That’s 1270. Median. So half the class is below this. So explain to me how a young man with 1400, loads of AP classes, 2x captain of his football team gets rejected?

i don’t think that it’s disrespectful to ask for race and gender. It’s a legitimate question. Representative Cummings was issuing subpoenas and introduced legislation (HR3488) to change the admission process to include congressional appointments. He was very focused on minority inclusion. Did that affect the process? It’s a reasonable question. CGA is a public institution and it’s reasonable to ask respectful questions about how these $270,000 scholarships are being allocated.

based on the Academy's own data, I expect over half of the applicants accepted had less than a 1300 SAT. Is my math wrong?
I think what you're asking can't be answered here, unless there's an official from the admissions directorate participating. What you're asking is demographic information for the class currently being selected. You're not going to get that. You're asking folks here to speculate upon what "might be" or "what they think" based upon the published "median scores, and how some are selected while your son wasn't. You not going to get an accurate answer here. As a grad, you know that admissions are a fickle thing: seldom is the process as cut and dried as "this person has XXX scores, YYY academics, and ZZZ other...therefore since they are above others on paper, they must be the choice." The "whole person concept" takes into account everything under the sun. While your son's numbers are surely excellent, he just may not fit their selection process this year. Who knows why? The only people that can answer that are those in the admissions office. And it's not just in New London that this happens. The army has a new 2Lt that just finished infantry officer school last week. He wanted to attend USAFA in the worst way...his "bona fides" are very similar to your son's. He did not get into USAFA. Why? I don't know and was never able to find out. So he went to USMA. And has burned up the program since.

I feel your pain...I'm a much more involved ALO for USAFA than I probably should be; my "kids" are just that. So when one is disappointed, I feel it. But...we have to move on. I don't know that you'll ever get a complete answer to your questions, but I do know they won't be here. You need to query the folks at the academy admissions office to see what they recommend for next year. That might give you a "hint" as to what happened this year.

Just a thought.

Best wishes!

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83
 
The problem with a query like this is that nobody on these boards will know the "actual" answer. That answer lies in the admissions directorate. We can speculate to death "what if, but, perhaps, and..." until we're blue in the face but it won't change anything.

I've had a candidate for USAFA with a 1600 SAT...and the requisite academic background, etc. They did not get an appointment to USAFA. Why I asked? Why his family asked? What was the answer? I never got a precise answer from USAFA/RRS but...without the score he was an "average" okay candidate. The score was the one real standout. I'm going out on a limb here but my "guess" is that when fully evaluated, his package didn't have a high enough score to beat out the others.

I think what you're asking can't be answered here, unless there's an official from the admissions directorate participating. What you're asking is demographic information for the class currently being selected. You're not going to get that. You're asking folks here to speculate upon what "might be" or "what they think" based upon the published "median scores, and how some are selected while your son wasn't. You not going to get an accurate answer here. As a grad, you know that admissions are a fickle thing: seldom is the process as cut and dried as "this person has XXX scores, YYY academics, and ZZZ other...therefore since they are above others on paper, they must be the choice." The "whole person concept" takes into account everything under the sun. While your son's numbers are surely excellent, he just may not fit their selection process this year. Who knows why? The only people that can answer that are those in the admissions office. And it's not just in New London that this happens. The army has a new 2Lt that just finished infantry officer school last week. He wanted to attend USAFA in the worst way...his "bona fides" are very similar to your son's. He did not get into USAFA. Why? I don't know and was never able to find out. So he went to USMA. And has burned up the program since.

I feel your pain...I'm a much more involved ALO for USAFA than I probably should be; my "kids" are just that. So when one is disappointed, I feel it. But...we have to move on. I don't know that you'll ever get a complete answer to your questions, but I do know they won't be here. You need to query the folks at the academy admissions office to see what they recommend for next year. That might give you a "hint" as to what happened this year.

Just a thought.

Best wishes!

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83

Hi Steve. Thanks for this response. It’s very thoughtful and reasonable.

The process that you just described (“admissions is a fickle thing”), in my opinion, is arbitrary and highly subjective. I would expect a public institution, handing out grants of $270k, to be able to support/defend its decisions with data. It’s a STEM institution. I expect it to be data driven. Otherwise it’s subject to human bias that can skew selections in many directions.

I will be following up. Absolutely. And I disagree that the people on this forum can help. Each accepted family has an N of 1. I am seeking input from folks on this forum with tangible examples. For example, who was accepted with a lower SAT? Anyone below 1300? 1250? I would expect a few highly recruited athletes to fall into that category. I am not saying that’s wrong. I am seeking to understand.

The example of the kid with 1400 blows me away. “DS has 3.95 unweighted, class rank 3 of 210, 1400 SAT, 230 PFE, Boys State, Varsity Football Captain x2, Honor Society President, FFA, District school board student rep, outside employment, community service, great recs, interview went very well (we thought).” I do know what makes a successful cadet and officer. I watched the super-smart wash out because they lacked mental toughness. And I watched the low scores wash out because they couldn’t hack the academics. Then it’s been a journey to watch the career folks progress. The well rounded ones who were smart, athletes, and superior people skills made it to the top and are Captains. I honestly can’t get my head around how that kid wasn‘t selected.

I am really happy for everyone who made it. Welcome to the long blue line. I am incredibly proud to be a graduate. I am proud to have earned an Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal while deployed. I served with wonderful people and lifelong friends. I hope you all have a similar experience.
 
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What area of the country are you from? A friend of mine and CGA grad told me that they try to get people from all parts of the country and that they get a lot of applicants from the east coast. He also said the fact that we're from CA is a plus. Perhaps your state is already over-represented. Just a guess.
I think you meant your reply to the other forum member? My son was deferred to RD.
 
This is my point. at this link it says that the Median SAT: Math 649, Critical Reading 613, Writing 605. So with writing no longer part of the equation, let’s call it 650 math and 620 verbal. That’s 1270. Median. So half the class is below this. So explain to me how a young man with 1400, loads of AP classes, 2x captain of his football team gets rejected?

i don’t think that it’s disrespectful to ask for race and gender. It’s a legitimate question. Representative Cummings was issuing subpoenas and introduced legislation (HR3488) to change the admission process to include congressional appointments. He was very focused on minority inclusion. Did that affect the process? It’s a reasonable question. CGA is a public institution and it’s reasonable to ask respectful questions about how these $270,000 scholarships are being allocated.

based on the Academy's own data, I expect over half of the applicants accepted had less than a 1300 SAT. Is my math wrong?

As a graduate, I would assume you understand that high academic and athletic stats do not indicate that a candidate will be successful at USCGA or as a CG officer. That is not to say that your son will not be at some point, it is simply to point out that "hard" statistics only matter to a certain extent. The remainder of the admissions process are those intangible qualities and why USCGA is really pushing to achieve a 100% interview rate. In full disclosure, I am a white female who applied to USCGA with my highest SAT scores as roughly a 660 CR, 640 W, and a 600 M (i.e. 1900 on a 2400 scale) which I'm sure would fall below that 1300 mark you keep referencing if converted to today's standards. There were white males with scores lower than mine and minority applicants with higher scores. The reverse was also true, and people of all races and genders with a variety of scores, from low to high, did not make it to graduation. Of those who commissioned, several with low and high scores of all different backgrounds were involuntarily separated for poor decisions they made in the five years since we've graduated. That's why they call that 1270 an average and not a minimum standard.

Did my gender play a role in my appointment? Of course it did. Do I like that my gender mattered from strictly a metrics perspective? No, because only the "best" people should serve. However, the Coast Guard needs leaders that represent their enlisted force and American society as a whole - that includes people of both sexes and races of all types. Do these people need to be qualified? Absolutely, and I understand your underlying theme indicating so. The question becomes how do you quantify those qualifications and who the "best" is, especially when some of the necessary traits are inherently qualitative? Only Admissions knows and they do their best to ensure a well-rounded group of individuals arrive on Day One.

As @flieger83 stated, no one on this forum can give you the answer you're looking for, except for maybe @Objee. Perhaps in the case of the class of 2024, it is simply an issue of numbers. Other posts indicates their class size will be smaller, and it could simply be that while your son could have been accepted in last year's class, the smaller number required Admissions to make more difficult decisions. Those decisions were likely very nuanced and required the splitting of hairs in order to choose one candidate over the other.

Your best resource is to have your son contact his Admissions Officer directly after the holidays. If he really wants this, then he should try again. I have a classmate who had already graduated college when we started swab summer. I have another acquaintance who applied twice and was denied. She enlisted in the CG, made E-4, was accepted to CGAS, and then finally graduated USCGA several years after she first started the process. I myself was setback for my own reasons and had to start all over again. But, I wanted it and I went after it despite external challenges and failures of my own doing.

I wish you and your son the best of luck. This is a tough pill to swallow, especially around the holidays, and I've been there. Yet, somehow, things always work out how they are meant to despite what we want, even when we can't see it at the time.
 
Let’s get this thread back on track!

1) TexasAggie204 / DS / 12/10/2019 / PA / Mechanical Engineering / Undecided
2) SwimMom24 / DD / 12/10/2019/ LOA/ Cyber Systems/ WA / Awaiting DODMERB waiver
3) HCopter / DD / 12/10/2019 (call from coach) / No LOA / TX / Cyber Systems / Undecided
4) ProudMom7/ DD / 12/10/2019 / MES / Awaiting DODMERB waiver
5) WhoWouldTakeThisUsername / Self / 12/11/2019 (called me originally on 12/10) / No LOA / OH / Undecided
6) klcm54a / DS / 12/11/19 (called originally on 12/10) / No LOA / AK / Undecided
7) CMS / DS / 12/11/19 / Mechanical Engineering / NJ / Undecided
8) ChaseMe2 / DD / 12/10/2019 / FL / Undecided
9) mamabear2023/ DS / 12/11/2018 / MD/ Undecided
10) torresn199/ Self / 12/13/2019 / Overseas / Government / Undecided
11) cave9269 /DS/ 12/13/2019 / NO LOA / PA / Government / ACCEPTED
12) AnotherSwimMom / DS / 12/13/2019 / No LOA / VA / Cyber Systems / Undecided
13) AngryDoge / Self / 12/13/2019 / Undecided
14) Montanaparent / DS / 12/15/19 (phone call) / MT / Naval Architecture / Undecided
15) Hurstunited21 / Self / 12/16/19 / No LOA / TX / Naval Architecture / Undecided
16) Adopt3/DS/12/16/19/no LOA/LA/Operations Research/Undecided
17) ALmom2024/DS/12/16/19/noLOA/AL/Civil Engineering/Accepted
18) RowingMom/DS/12-16-19/no LOA/FL/Naval Arch & Marine Engr / Undecided
19)Dr.D.OneProudMom/DD/12-14-19 (phone call)/MD/Cyber Systems/ Will ACCEPT
20) PilotTim89 / DD / 12/10/19 / LOA / IN / Mechanical Engineering / Undecided
21) Bubbles/ DD/ 12/13/19/ No LOA/ CO/ MES/ Will Accept
22) ejrcandidate721 / Self / 12/13/19 (phone call) / No LOA / NY / MES / Awaiting DODMERB waiver
23) tycarpen / DS / 12/15/19 (phone call) / No LOA / CA / Cyber Systems / Undecided
24) Dadx4 / DD / 12/14/19 (phone call) / No LOA / VA / MES / Awaiting Formal Notification
25) CarterJames77 / Self / 12/20/19 (phone call) / No LOA / NY / Mechanical Engineering / Awaiting DODMERB waiver
26) 24gobears/DD/ 12/8/19 (phone call)/ No LOA/ CA / Electrical Engineering/ Awaiting formal notification
27) scootertu / DS / 12/15/19 (phone call from track coach) / CA / Naval Architecture / Awaiting DODMERB waiver
28) TigerMoM/DD / 12/20/19 (phone call from AO) / NJ / Marine & Environmental Science / Undecided (waiting for USAFA result)
29) AllSmiles / DS / 12/20/2019 / Bear's Den / NoLOA / PA / Civil Engineering / Conditional DODMERB
30) 2024Fighter / DS /12/20/2019 / Bear's Den / No LOA / OK / Cyber Systems / Undecided - Awaiting DODMERB Review
31) applicant/ self/ 12/20/2019/ Bear’s Den/ No LOA/ KY/ Mechanical Engineering/ Awaiting DODMERB
32) swimmom816 / DD / 12/13/2019 / phone call / No LOA / OH / Naval Architecture / Conditional needing waiver
33) candidate_dad / DD / 12/20/2019 / phone call from coach / NY / Mechanical Engineering / Awaiting medical waiver / Undecided
34) WaterPolo_Dad / DS / 12/17/2019 / text from partner / PA / Operations Research / Undecided (but highly likely)
 
I'm sure it's very difficult for some (including me) to understand the admissions process. There are so many factors that go into these appointments.....gender, location, race, major.....obviously GPA's, extra curricular activities etc... My son attended AIM, has extremely high test scores, GPA, extra curriculars, sports, leadership positions in sports and in extra curricular....but he was flat out denied at the USCGA. We were a bit stunned he wasn't at least deferred but I guess all things happen for a reason. He received an LOA in early November from the USNA and his nomination about a week and a half ago.....and his official appointment last Wednesday. He has now accepted the appointment and will be in the USNA's class of 2024.
 
I'm sure it's very difficult for some (including me) to understand the admissions process. There are so many factors that go into these appointments.....gender, location, race, major.....obviously GPA's, extra curricular activities etc... My son attended AIM, has extremely high test scores, GPA, extra curriculars, sports, leadership positions in sports and in extra curricular....but he was flat out denied at the USCGA. We were a bit stunned he wasn't at least deferred but I guess all things happen for a reason. He received an LOA in early November from the USNA and his nomination about a week and a half ago.....and his official appointment last Wednesday. He has now accepted the appointment and will be in the USNA's class of 2024.
Congrats to your midshipmen!
 
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