USMA Class Size 2024?

Are you asking the number of appointments, graduating class size, something else? The incoming class of 2019, for example, was 1257; graduating class size was 980-ish. The class of 2020 was over 1300 incoming. The number of appointments for each class is determined by the needs of the Army for the number of officers required. The size of each incoming class reflects the adjustments made to maintain those yields based on historic attrition data, so there is no hard and fast number for the size of any given incoming class although I believe the goal is to graduate about 1000 officers each year. What is driving your question?
 
Actually the class sizes at the three DoD SAs are less about the four years downstream need and more about each institution staying under their maximum number of cadets/midshipmen allowed by law. If there were to be a spike of attrition in classes of 21/22/23, then they would have more "room" under the cap for "24" and so on.
 
Ten is not surprising.

And, yes, I meant my yield answer to be viewed in the context of the corps cap (4400, I think), officers graduating not total number in the regular Army.
 
TX2023 said:
The class of 2023 was about 1210 reporting for R-Day but by the Supe's presentation that afternoon, it was down to 1200. Probably down to 1125-1130 now.
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any idea why they dropped?
 
By law, the DOD SAs are capped at 4400. Based on attrition trends, the SAs typically bring in classes of about 1200, with the goal of graduating close to 1000. Of course there are shifts and nuances each year, but that’s the basic math.

As for larger needs of the Navy, Marine Corps, Army, Air Force: That’s mainly managed via ROTC and then OTS. ROTC is the largest — and most flexible — source of officers and hence a reasonable way to manage numbers at the macro level.
 
can you get kicked out of usma's class if you do not do well in boot camp? if so, how bad?? i'm just worried lol
 
There were several NC’s who chose ROTC and were still listed for R Day. A couple medical DQ’s too.
 
VelveteenR said:
Are you asking the number of appointments, graduating class size, something else? The incoming class of 2019, for example, was 1257; graduating class size was 980-ish. The class of 2020 was over 1300 incoming. The number of appointments for each class is determined by the needs of the Army for the number of officers required. The size of each incoming class reflects the adjustments made to maintain those yields based on historic attrition data, so there is no hard and fast number for the size of any given incoming class although I believe the goal is to graduate about 1000 officers each year. What is driving your question?
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What is driving my question is that I’m asking if the needs of the Army for officers is still strong, I wanted to know if the Army attrition rates were causing them to need less 2nd Lieutenants. Less need equals less offers of appointment which makes it harder to get in. You did a beautiful job answering my question so I think you understood my thinking which drove me to ask it. My DS (class of 2017) grad‘s class went in with approximately 1200 but only graduated 953
 
Read above about ROTC. If the Army needs fewer LTs, they give fewer ROTC active duty and commission then in the Reserve or Guard where there is never a shortage. That and cancel OCS. Voila, fewer LTs. If the Army needs more than USMA can provide they do the opposite
 
JacksDAChen said:
can you get kicked out of usma's class if you do not do well in boot camp? if so, how bad?? i'm just worried lol
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New Cadets at Beast will screw up a lot. As a general matter, just come in healthy and in great condition and you won’t have any problem succeeding. The purpose of Beast is not to have NCs fail. Your Cadre will want you to succeed even that is hard to believe. Just take it one task at a time and you’ll survive the six weeks. Most of the attrition that occurs is the result of cadets realizing that WP is not for them.
 
And just to add for fun....if the Army REALLY needs LTs then they graduate class early: 1899?,1901,1917,1918 (only Plebes remained in 1918). All the WW2 classes graduated after 3 years (at least 1943-1945 IIRC)
 
Also, new cadets don't 'fail out of Beast,' but rather they quit. If you simply do what your told to the best of your ability and do not go out of your way make trouble, you will be fine. Even if you get injured, you will not be dropped out of West Point. (OK, maybe sometimes they will send you home and tell you to come back next year--but generally, you just keep plugging along as best you can.) Also, if you quit, it is not like you get to go home that day or the next, you have to hang out and out-process from the Army. Best to go and plan on staying. It is supposed to feel crummy, you are supposed to spend time feeling overwhelmed, like a complete failure, and regretting all of your life's choices. It is part of the process. So don't worry about the size of the class--no one will know until R-Day, just worry about submitting and completing your personal best application packet.
 
DrMom said:
Also, new cadets don't 'fail out of Beast,' but rather they quit. If you simply do what your told to the best of your ability and do not go out of your way make trouble, you will be fine. Even if you get injured, you will not be dropped out of West Point. (OK, maybe sometimes they will send you home and tell you to come back next year--but generally, you just keep plugging along as best you can.) Also, if you quit, it is not like you get to go home that day or the next, you have to hang out and out-process from the Army. Best to go and plan on staying. It is supposed to feel crummy, you are supposed to spend time feeling overwhelmed, like a complete failure, and regretting all of your life's choices. It is part of the process. So don't worry about the size of the class--no one will know until R-Day, just worry about submitting and completing your personal best application packet.
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Perfect.
They want to keep you, they CHOSE you.
 
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