Usmma Indoctrination

[Wrestling160]

Why does the Merchant Marine Academy decide to run a shorter summer training than the other four service academies? Does it have to do with the fact that they work in trimesters so classes begin sooner?

 

[kpmom2013]

Yes. The summers are shorter at Kings Point because of the one full year spent at sea. They have to fit four academic years plus license preparation into three years.

 

[jaglvr]

i would think too because they are a reserve component and not everyone will be active duty

 

[New@This]

i would think too because they are a reserve component and not everyone will be active duty

I don't think that has anything to do with it. There isn't much of a summer break at Kings Point. Indoc has to fit into the time period between commencement and the start of the next year classes.

The 2018 summer schedule was as follows:
June 16 - Commencement
June 25 - INDOC detailers report
June 29 - INDOC Class of 2022 report
July 18 - First Term Classes begin

 

[KPEngineer]

i would think too because they are a reserve component and not everyone will be active duty

completely irrelevant to the length of indoctrination. An Officer in the Reserve Component of the Armed Forces is still a Commissioned Officer.

The length of indoc is completely tied to the length of the academic year. There simply isn't enough weeks in the year to do more than two of indoc. When I did officer training and indoc my 1st 1/C year I never even left campus. My break was literally only a week long.

 

[joriebelle]

How were they able to fit in longer weeks of INDOC in the past? This was the shortest INDOC ever, I heard?

 

[kp2001]

How were they able to fit in longer weeks of INDOC in the past? This was the shortest INDOC ever, I heard?

That looks to be about right. It’s been about 2ish weeks or so for most of my time with the school. Maybe a day or two or three either way, but typically was a week of Cadre training and a little over 2 weeks of actual Indoc.

 

[azmilmom]

How were they able to fit in longer weeks of INDOC in the past? This was the shortest INDOC ever, I heard?

It was just a couple of days shorter than 2021's Indoc and not sure if that pattern is going to continue going forward. Not sure as well why they made 2022's Indoc shorter than other years. Anyone know?

 

[cmakin]

Pretty sure my Indoc in 77 was two weeks. Felt longer, for sure, though. Of course for us, once classes started, the only real break was the end of morning calisthenics on Barney Square and the ever enjoyable Plebe Outs and Plebe Beats. . . still had to deal with Plebe Knowledge, Duty Stations, memorizing menus. . .all of that fun stuff. . .

 

[KPEngineer]

That actually looks long to me. Its almost three full calendar weeks between indoc reporting and classes starting.

As I recall, we arrived on a Sunday (maybe Monday and I just traveled Sunday), inodc was two calendar weeks ending Friday or Saturday, everyone else came back over the weekend and classes started on Tuesday.

Officer training looks shorter though. I recall at least 5 or 6 days.

 

[cmakin]

That actually looks long to me. Its almost three full calendar weeks between indoc reporting and classes starting.

As I recall, we arrived on a Sunday (maybe Monday and I just traveled Sunday), inodc was two calendar weeks ending Friday or Saturday, everyone else came back over the weekend and classes started on Tuesday.

Officer training looks shorter though. I recall at least 5 or 6 days.

Officer training? I don't recall any of that outside of Naval Science classes, but I also didn't go military after graduation. . .

 

[KPEngineer]

Officer training? I don't recall any of that outside of Naval Science classes, but I also didn't go military after graduation. . .

I should have said M/N Officer Training. It was the same week as training for everyone involved in inoc, DIs, EMTs, Waterfront, M/N Officers, etc.

 

[cmakin]

Officer training? I don't recall any of that outside of Naval Science classes, but I also didn't go military after graduation. . .

I should have said M/N Officer Training. It was the same week as training for everyone involved in inoc, DIs, EMTs, Waterfront, M/N Officers, etc.

Oh, well, I was never any M/N Officer rank, nor did I participate in any Indoc other than my first. . . .

 

[KPEngineer]

Officer training? I don't recall any of that outside of Naval Science classes, but I also didn't go military after graduation. . .

I should have said M/N Officer Training. It was the same week as training for everyone involved in inoc, DIs, EMTs, Waterfront, M/N Officers, etc.

Oh, well, I was never any M/N Officer rank, nor did I participate in any Indoc other than my first. . . .

A mistake I made the first rotation of my first senior year but rectified the subsequent three rotations of my senior year(s).

 

[kp2001]

Zombo 4 life! (But i did participate in 4 indocs: mine, 2 as an EMT, and then one 2 years after graduation came back for a required Med school “summer experience” and worked with the EMTs again.)

 

[KPEngineer]

Zombo 4 life! (But i did participate in 4 indocs: mine, 2 as an EMT, and then one 2 years after graduation came back for a required Med school “summer experience” and worked with the EMTs again.)

I met some M/N at an alumni event last month, they did not know what a "zombo" was and how it differed from a M/N Ensign. Apparently the term is frowned up and highly highly discouraged by the commandant's staff when heard.

 

[kp2001]

I met some M/N at an alumni event last month, they did not know what a "zombo" was and how it differed from a M/N Ensign. Apparently the term is frowned up and highly highly discouraged by the commandant's staff when heard.

Please tell me they at least knew what “bagging” was......Commandant’s Staff loves that too [emoji23]

 

[KPEngineer]

I met some M/N at an alumni event last month, they did not know what a "zombo" was and how it differed from a M/N Ensign. Apparently the term is frowned up and highly highly discouraged by the commandant's staff when heard.

Please tell me they at least knew what “bagging” was......Commandant’s Staff loves that too [emoji23]

Didn't think about asking them about that one, but funny enough I did that exact thing to a guy yesterday. He was in the elevator with the door closing as I was going around the corner. I didn't look back but I heard the elevator doors open back up and a "what?" ... classic ... it never gets old.

 

[cmakin]

Zombo 4 life! (But i did participate in 4 indocs: mine, 2 as an EMT, and then one 2 years after graduation came back for a required Med school “summer experience” and worked with the EMTs again.)

I met some M/N at an alumni event last month, they did not know what a "zombo" was and how it differed from a M/N Ensign. Apparently the term is frowned up and highly highly discouraged by the commandant's staff when heard.

Not surprising. . . I know that it wasn't exactly celebrated during my tenure. I don't know which year it started, but back in the old days, First Classmen didn't automatically get the one bar on the end as Midshipman Ensign. They used to get three diagonal stripes unless they had an officer's billet. Those were the true Zombos. I would like to feel that even though I didn't wear the three strips on my shoulders, I kept the dream and the Zombo spirit alive. . . .

 

[KPEngineer]

Not surprising. . . I know that it wasn't exactly celebrated during my tenure. I don't know which year it started, but back in the old days, First Classmen didn't automatically get the one bar on the end as Midshipman Ensign. They used to get three diagonal stripes unless they had an officer's billet. Those were the true Zombos. I would like to feel that even though I didn't wear the three strips on my shoulders, I kept the dream and the Zombo spirit alive. . . .

We didn't have the 3 diagonals, all 1/c wore straight stripes, but we didn't even use the term "M/N Ensign". If you didn't hold an actual M/N Officer billet you were just a M/N 1/C or a Zombo.