USNA CLASS OF 2024 Update-List-Yourself APPOINTMENTS

Ultimately, this is a competition. There are going to be some incredible candidates who are going to come in second. There is transparency. Candidates need to be strong academically, physically, morally, and have strong leadership. Candidates have to write a compelling essay and be able to go through interviews with their BGO and nomination committee. It's not unlike going for a job interview.

Is your child a stronger person because of the process they have gone through to apply to a service academy? Has your child learned to work hard to stretch themselves in areas that were outside of their comfort zone?

It hurts as a parent to see your kid work really hard for something and not have it come to fruition. It feels unfair. I can guarantee you that just having gone through this process and working to make themselves the strongest candidate they can be is going to benefit your child.
 
Old Navy BGO said:
What are you looking for in transparency ? Open Admissions meeting ? Frankly, I don't think anyone wants to see how the sausage is made. The process is really pretty straightforward in most cases, and in almost 20 years of watching it, I really haven't seen any situation where I thought the integrity of the process was challenged.
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Sure why not. Just check with AC the last poster was non-select last year top 25% by BGO and this year offered. AC said there are at least 15 in his area more qualified. AC also shared one female offered(recruited athlete) USMA sent TWE but USNA offered. Yes this is a process that is easily massaged for what you want.
 
parent said:
Sure why not. Just check with AC the last poster was non-select last year top 25% by BGO and this year offered. AC said there are at least 15 in his area more qualified. AC also shared one female offered(recruited athlete) USMA sent TWE but USNA offered. Yes this is a process that is easily massaged for what you want.
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By AC, are you referring to Admissions Counselor, or Area Coordinator for BGO's ? Who determines "more qualified" ? This is not and objective determination --- there are some objective factors involved, but at the end of the day, things like leadership potential, grit, and just gut feel aren't measurable.

I am sure that every BGO or person who works in Admissions can tell you about someone they thought should get in and didn't, and will readily point to someone that was less qualified that did get in. Those cases may be true. The system is not perfect by any means, and sure, some very good kids get left on the cutting room floor. I will also tell you, there are plenty of those "less qualified" candidates who turn out to be damn good Navy and Marine Corps officers.
 
Your a BGO an AC is Area Coordinator. "Who determines "more qualified"? That is the problem! USNA is I would politely disagree that grit can actually be measured according to a book recommended to me by Stephen Liszewski. Brigadier General, Director of Operations, USMC. Plans, Policy & OperationsNaval War College. Annapolis, Maryland. https://www.ted.com/talks/angela_le...power_of_passion_and_perseverance?language=en And "gut" feel can get one into very bad situations. Does the Academy say go with your gut feel or the data?
There are plenty of those "less qualified" candidates who turn out to be damn good Navy and Marine Corps officers.
Again that is subjective not based on data.
Sorry I just think we disagree.
 
parent said:
Sure why not. Just check with AC the last poster was non-select last year top 25% by BGO and this year offered. AC said there are at least 15 in his area more qualified. AC also shared one female offered(recruited athlete) USMA sent TWE but USNA offered. Yes this is a process that is easily massaged for what you want.
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Well sure, the "more qualified" may be true in the case of the BGO/AC but that is not how Admissions works. That is merely one input to the Admissions Board and I can assure you that there have been "Not Recommended" by a BGO get admitted and "Top 5" get TWEs. That is how the system works because the BGO does not have insight into the entire picture. I would compare the BGO interview report to my Commanding Officer or Reporting Senior writing a fitness report on an officer that is one of the primary inputs to a Promotion Board. Have you ever sat on a Promotion Board? Plenty of cases where the Reporting Senior really tried to get someone promoted but the officer is passed over for promotion.
 
Parents who are outraged by the fact that their kid did not receive an offer of appointment just need to be objective. I realize that is easier to say than to do, but the fact is that, barring EXCEPTIONAL applicants, there will always be individuals that are judged to be more desirable applicants, for whatever rationale, than Johnny or Janey.

You, and your child, do not automatically deserve to be informed of all of the specific points on the appointment metric that led to the admissions decision. Believing that you do is the pinnacle of hubris and an overwheening sense of entitlement.

You spins the wheel and you take your chances. That is how life works. There are no guarantees.
 
OldRetSWO said:
Well sure, the "more qualified" may be true in the case of the BGO/AC but that is not how Admissions works. That is merely one input to the Admissions Board and I can assure you that there have been "Not Recommended" by a BGO get admitted and "Top 5" get TWEs. That is how the system works because the BGO does not have insight into the entire picture. I would compare the BGO interview report to my Commanding Officer or Reporting Senior writing a fitness report on an officer that is one of the primary inputs to a Promotion Board. Have you ever sat on a Promotion Board? Plenty of cases where the Reporting Senior really tried to get someone promoted but the officer is passed over for promotion.
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FYI @OldRetSWO I sit on my own board as the CEO of a multi-million dollar company. My company promotes based upon specific data that every employee is aware of.
AC/BGO is familiar with the candidate... he interviewed the candidate and also saw the essays and teacher recs.
One question are theMIDS aware of their order of merit? YES. Isn't that showing by data who is "more qualified?"
What you and others are saying is don't look at the scoreboard (data) instead who looks better (subjective) while playing the game.
Are we really sending the Navy the most qualified young men and women? Or are we sending them what amounts to the winners of a beauty pageant? Is it any wonder new Ensigns don't have a clue how to run a ship! Yet they do fit certain demographics. Let that sink in. how does your gut feel now. Just sayin' Guess that will give one a great feeling in their gut!
 
FutureAdademyDad? said:
Parents who are outraged by the fact that their kid did not receive an offer of appointment just need to be objective. I realize that is easier to say than to do, but the fact is that, barring EXCEPTIONAL applicants, there will always be individuals that are judged to be more desirable applicants, for whatever rationale, than Johnny or Janey.

You, and your child, do not automatically deserve to be informed of all of the specific points on the appointment metric that led to the admissions decision. Believing that you do is the pinnacle of hubris and an overwheening sense of entitlement.

You spins the wheel and you take your chances. That is how life works. There are no guarantees.
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Sorry when it is the taxpayers money we can and should ask! but hen again I guess your name says enough spell check does wonders.:rolleyes:
 
Are we extrapolating that since a BGO thinks one candidate was better on a slate than another - the academy process is wrong and there are many mistakes? And that a whole class is unworthy? And all graduates aren’t as competent?

But if that one pick was selected - all those problems go away?
 
OldRetSWO said:
Well sure, the "more qualified" may be true in the case of the BGO/AC but that is not how Admissions works. That is merely one input to the Admissions Board and I can assure you that there have been "Not Recommended" by a BGO get admitted and "Top 5" get TWEs. That is how the system works because the BGO does not have insight into the entire picture. I would compare the BGO interview report to my Commanding Officer or Reporting Senior writing a fitness report on an officer that is one of the primary inputs to a Promotion Board. Have you ever sat on a Promotion Board? Plenty of cases where the Reporting Senior really tried to get someone promoted but the officer is passed over for promotion.
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FYI @OldRetSWO I sit on my own board as the CEO of a multi-million dollar company and I promote based upon specific data that every employee is aware of. AC/BGO is familiar with the candidate... he interviewed the candidate and also saw the essays and teacher recs.
One question I have not asked is are the kids aware of their order of merit? YES. Isn't that showing by data who is "more qualified?" What you and others are saying is don't look at the scoreboard (data) ket's subjectively see who looks better (subjective) while playing the game. Are we really sending the Navy the most qualified young men and women or are we sending them what amounts to a simple beauty pageant and wondering why Ensigns don't have a clue how to run a ship bu they should do fit certain demographics. Guess that will give one a great feeling in their gut.
Barky01 said:
Amen to that F, when you start this process you need to man up and accept what happens...period...
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:rolleyes: like being a D-3 FB recruit!
 
A1Janitor said:
Are we extrapolating that since a BGO thinks one candidate was better on a slate than another - the academy process is wrong and there are many mistakes? And that a whole class is unworthy? And all graduates aren’t as competent?

But if that one pick was selected - all those problems go away?
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Sorry no-one said wrong just sayin' there are situations where the Academy looks at certain candidates and makes decisions that could possibly be decisions that have strings, etc attached. If memory serves me correctly didn't you contact your MOC several times when your perfect "DS" was a candidate. Not one person on here has been able to say that the system is not able to be massaged and many candidates are not the top candidates. Except yours! Go back and reread your posts please. I am just giving my opinion in defense of @AREYOUKIDDINGME whom I agree with and the talking heads (you know who you are) who seem to know more than anyone else on this site are so damn cocky their kids got in. I have an Ensign but try to give others the true story as I see it. Sorry just disagree with what you and others are selling!
 
I never contacted an MOC.

And my son is a plebe - he earned it. That simple.

If you are telling me my son didn’t earn his place - you are wrong. The SA gave him an LOA. And a rare waiver.

I am not selling anything. You are grossly unfair attacking me or my son. I ignored @AREYOUKIDDINGME for a reason.

Not sure a BGO should be acting this way.
 
parent said:
Sorry when it is the taxpayers money we can and should ask! but hen again I guess your name says enough spell check does wonders.:rolleyes:
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Sorry, but you are just wrong. Period.

As the "CEO of a multimillion company" you should be well aware that that personnel matters are confidential.

Moreover, the plain and simple fact is that many of the the candidates about whom their parents post such outraged and indignant protestations of inequitable consideration by the admissions board are really just average candidates.

That is not meant to be insulting. It is just factual. Average candidates when measured against the whole field. Average when measured in light of all the criteria that comprise the admissions rubric.

Frankly, just stop your sobbing and recognize that other applicants more closely match the requirements of this particular admissions cycle. It is not a slight on any of the applicants who are not accepted. It is just a reflection of the reality of the process.

In every race, the majority of the competitors will not medal. But they should be respected, and should respect themselves, for having competed in the first place.
 
USNA Class of 2024 Appointments
1) SSSam42 / Self / LOA / 17-Oct-19 / Accepted / IL / USNA Superintendent / Direct Appointment
2) 2024USNA2024 / DS / LOA / 29-Oct-19 / Accepted / NY / Presidential / Direct Appointment
3) Proud2024Dad / DS / LOA / 14-Nov-19 / Accepted / IN / Senatorial / Direct Appointment
4) NickMomSince1997 / DS / LOA / 02-Dec-19 / Accepted/ IL / Congressional / Direct Appointment
5) PilotTim89 / DD / No LOA / 02-Dec-19 / Undecided / IN / Senatorial / Direct Appointment
6) usna2024usna / Self / LOA / 02-Dec-19 / Accepted / FL / Senatorial / Direct Appointment
7) jojumat / DD / LOA / 06-Dec-19 / Accepted / NY / Congressional / Direct Appointment
8) myplaneyourplane / Self / LOA / 10-Dec-19 / Accepted / VT / Congressional / Direct Appointment
9) njnavymom2024 / DS / LOA / 10-Dec-19 / Accepted / NJ / Congressional / Direct Appointment
10) WhoWouldTakeThisUsername / Self / No LOA / 16-Dec-19 / Undecided / OH / Congressional / Direct Appointment
11) chesva / DS / LOA / 17-Dec-19 / Will Accept / VA / Congressional / Direct Appointment
12) STF16 / DS / No LOA / 17-Dec-19 / Declined / KS / Presidential / Direct Appointment
13) desertlover12 / Self / LOA / 18-Dec-19 / Undecided / AZ / Senatorial / Direct Appointment
14) Ready2024 / Self / LOA / 20-Dec-19 / Accepted/ VA / Presidential / Direct Appointment
15) RM78 / Self / LOA / 20-Dec-19 / Accepted / MD / Congressional / Direct Appointment
16) Scuttlebutt / DS / LOA / 20-Dec-19 / Will Accept/ MS / Congressional, Senatorial / Direct Appointment
17) mjacmoses / DD / LOA / 19-Dec-19 / Undecided / OK / Presidential / Direct Appointment
18) 2024candidate / Self / LOA / 23-Dec-19 / Accepted / CA / Senatorial / Direct Appointment
19) ehsusna2024 / Self / No LOA / 23-Dec-19 / Accepted / PA / Congressional / Direct Appointment
20) Gbud2020 / Self / LOA / 23-Dec-19 / Will Accept / CO / Congressional / Direct Appointment
21) SMO24 / Self / No LOA / 23-Dec-19 / Accepted/ MO / Congressional / Direct Appointment
22) Hopeful_Dad / DS / No LOA / 23-Dec-19 / Will Accept / CA / Congressional, Presidential / Direct Appointment
23) Proud_Pops / DS / LOA / 20-Dec-19 / Undecided / CA / Presidential / Direct Appointment
24) Hooyah2021 / DS / LOA / 23-Dec-19 / Accepted/ CA / Senatorial / Direct Appointment
25) usnagirl / Self / LOA / 18-Nov-19 / Undecided / ?? / Senatorial / Direct Appointment
26) Wang12356 / Self / No LOA / 06-Jan-20 / Accepted / CA / SECNAV / Prior Enlisted
27) HogieWonKanobe / DS / LOA / 06-Jan-20 / Accepted / KY / Congressional / Direct Appointment
28) Kyboymom / DS / LOA / 27-Nov-19 / Undecided / KY / Congressional / Direct Appointment
29) Nonsibesedpatriae20 / Self / LOA / 08-Jan-20 / Undecided / MO / Congressional / Direct Appointment
30) Whataluckymom / DS / LOA / 08-Jan-20 / Accepted / MO / Congressional / Direct Appointment
31) Aina Haina / DS / LOA / 09-Jan-20 / Accepted / HI / Congressional / Direct Appointment
32) JarheadDAD / DS / LOA / 23-Dec-19 / Accepted/ NY / Congressional / Direct Appointment
33) DE-7 / DS / LOA / 09-Jan-20 / Will Accept / IL / Congressional / Direct Appointment
34) GLJQ / DS / LOA / 10-Jan-20 / Undecided / PA / Congressional, Presidential / Direct Appointment
35) gtboy7 / Self / No LOA / 14- Jan-20 / Undecided / GA / Congressional, ROTC / Direct Appointment
36) BB-3 / DS / No LOA / 14-Jan-20 / Will Accept / OR / Congressional / ??
37) Ditka089 / Self / No LOA / 14-Jan-20 / Undecided / WA / Congressional / Direct Appointment
38) Scubb / DS / No LOA / 14-Jan-20 / Accepted / PA / Congressional / Direct Appointment
39) LFG / DS / No LOA / 14-Jan-20 / Undecided / CA / Congressional / Direct Appointment
40) falconzeus2024 / Self / No LOA / 10-Jan-20 / Undecided / AZ / Congressional, Presidential / Direct Appointment
41) heatherg21 / DS / No LOA / 14-Jan-20 / Accepted / AZ / Congressional, Senatorial / Direct Appointment
42) letswaittogether / DD / No LOA / 15-Jan-20 / Undecided / VA / Senatorial / Direct Appointment
43) Fiona1124 / DD / No LOA / 15-Jan-20 / Undecided / WA / Congressional / Direct Appointment
44) Falconhopeful2024 / Self / No LOA / 14-Jan-20 / Declined / AZ / Congressional, Presidential / Direct Appointment
45) PCordo / DS / LOA / 15-Jan-20 / Accepted / CO / Congressional / Direct Appointment
46) Proud_Mom_Dad / DS / LOA / 10-Jan-20 / Accepted / WV / Congressional / Direct Appointment
47) Proud_Mom_Dad / DD / LOA / 10-Jan-20 / Accepted / WV / Congressional / Direct Appointment
48) STLUSNA23 / Self / No LOA / 17-Jan-20 / Accepted / MO / Congressional / College Re-Applicant
49) Proud Parents: 22 & 24 / DD / No LOA / 23-Dec-19 / Declined / MI / Congressional / Direct Appointment
50) kbye2020 / Self / No LOA / 21-Jan-20 / Undecided / VA / Congressional, Presidential / Direct Appointment
51) ApplicantAJ / Self / LOA / 01-Jan-20 / Will Accept / VA / Congressional / Direct Appointment
52) CJS68 / DD / No LOA / 22-Jan-20 / Undecided / WA / Congressional / Direct Appointment
53) Clementine / Self / No LOA / 24-Jan-20 / Accepted / OK / Congressional, Senatorial / Direct Appointment
54) Anchors_Away / Self / No LOA / 25-Jan-20 / Will Accept / PA / Congressional, Senatorial, NJROTC / Direct Appointment
55) ismile / DS / LOA / 15-Jan-20 / Will Accept / CA / Congressional / Direct Appointment
56) noclist314 / DS / LOA / 27-Jan-20 / Will Accept/ MA / Congressional / Direct Appointment
57) LAmomUSNA23 / DS / LOA / 27-Jan-20 / Accepted / LA / Congressional, Senatorial / College Re-Applicant
58) MichaelNaval / Self / No LOA / 28-Jan-20 / Accepted / DE / Senatorial / Direct Appointment
59) VirginiaHall2024 / Self / LOA / 28-Jan-20 / Undecided / MO / Congressional / Direct Appointment
60) Me3boys / DS / LOA / 15-Jan-20 / Will Decline / NH / Congressional / Direct Appointment
61) Militarylife / DS / NO LOA / 04-Feb-20 / Accepted / MN / Congressional, Senatorial / College Re-Applicant
62) 2024USNA / Self / LOA / 15-Jan-20 / Accepted / TX / Congressional / Direct Appointment
63) Gabby1723 / Self / No LOA / 06-Feb-20 / Accepted / CA / Congressional, Senatorial / Direct Appointment
64) mcfamilyof4 / DS / No LOA / 06-Feb-20 / Undecided / NC / Congressional, Senatorial, NROTC / College Re-Applicant
65) USNA2k24 / Self / LOA / 06-Feb-20 / Accepted/ MD / Senatorial / Direct Appointment
66) sunearthnmars / DS / LOA / 06-Feb-20 / Accepted / NJ / Congressional / Direct Appointment
67) optimisticmom2024 / DS / No LOA / 06-Feb-20 / Will Accept / NY / Congressional, Presidential / Direct Appointment
68) MedrewUSMA2024 / DS / LOA / 09-Jan-20 / Undecided / AZ / Congressional / Direct Appointment
69) 2024waves / DS / LOA / 06-Feb-20 / Accepted / CA / Congressional / Direct Appointment
70) BestInCla$$ / Self / LOA / 07-Feb-20 / Will Accept / TN / Congressional, Senatorial / Direct Appointment
71) NavyLax24 / Self / LOA / 23-Dec-20 / Accepted/ WA / Congressional, Senatorial / Direct Appointment
72) Runningmaniac / Self / No LOA / 11-Feb-20 / Accepted/ AZ / Congressional, Senatorial / Direct Appointment
73) DMCman43 / DS / No LOA / 11-Feb-20 / ?? / MI / Congressional / Direct Appointment
74) Mmc / DD / No LOA / 14-Feb-20 / Will Accept / OK / Congressional, Senatorial / Direct Appointment /
75) glj104 / DS / No LOA / 21-Feb-20 / Accepted / SC / Senatorial / Direct Appointment
76) 2024candidate123 / Self / ?? / 18-Feb-20 / Will Accept/ TX / Congressional / Direct Appointment
77) EricGeg / Self / No LOA / 13-Feb-20 / Will Accept / LA / Congressional, Senatorial, NJROTC / Direct Appointment
78) mld99 / DS / No LOA / 14-Feb-20 / Will Accept / SC / Congressional, Senatorial, Presidential / Direct Appointment
79) flightquack / DD / No LOA / 18-Feb-20 / Accepted / NJ / Congressional / Direct Appointment
80) Navy1988 / DD / No LOA / 14-Feb-20 / Will Accept / OH / Congressional, Senatorial / Direct Appointment
81) kmh14 / Self / No LOA / 13-Feb-20 / Accepted / HI / Congressional, Senatorial / Direct Appointment
82) Jeepman / DS / ?? / 14-Feb-20 / ?? / TX / Congressional / Direct Appointment
83) nat115 / Self / No LOA / 19-Feb-20 / Undecided / MA / Congressional, Senatorial, NROTC / College Re-Applicant
84) JustAMom2024 / DS / No LOA / 19-Feb-20 / Accepted/ AR / Senatorial / Direct Appointment
85) AggieDad / DS / No LOA / 18-Feb-20 / Accepted / TX / Congressional / Direct Appointment
86) Roughneck4077 / Self / LOA/ 13-Feb-20 / Accepted / TX / Congressional / Direct Appointment
87) TXCheerDad/ DD / No LOA / 18-Feb-20 / Will Accept / TX / Congressional / Direct Appointment
88) FloridaDadOfDD / DD / No LOA / 20-Feb-20 / Accepted/ FL / Congressional, Senatorial / Direct Appointment
89) Catullus / Self / No LOA / ??-Feb-20 / Will Accept / NJ / Congressional /Direct Appointment
90) Therese_In_Denver / DS / No LOA / 24 - Feb-20 /Will Accept / CO / Congressional / Direct Appointment
91) chemotactic / DS / No LOA / 26-Feb-20 / Will Accept / MA / Congressional / Direct Appointment
92) Hopefulmid24 / DD / LOA / 26- Feb- 20 / Will Accept / PA / Senatorial, Congressional / Direct Appointment
93) Ollie2024 / Self / No LOA / 26-Feb-20 / Accepted / MD / Congressional, Presidential / Direct Appointment
94) Nic_310/ DS / No LOA / 26-Feb-20 / Will Accept / IL / Congressional / Direct Appointment
95) Dielast/ DS/ LOA / 27-Feb-20/ Undecided /FL /Congressional / Direct Appointment
96) tresninas/DD/No LOA/17 Feb 20/ACCEPTED/AR/Congressional/Direct Appointment
97) jr3i / Self / No LOA / 28-Feb-20 / Will Accept / MN / Congressional, Senatorial / College Re-Applicant
98) Def1964/Self/No LOA/2-Mar-20/Undecided/GA/Senatorial,Congressional/Direct Appointment
99) williamsdr3/son/No LOA/2-Mar-20/Accepted/TX/Congressional/Direct Appointment
100) HelpMeFly/Self/No LOA/3-Mar-20/Will Accept/GA/Congressional/Direct Appointment
101) WW1UFI/Self/No LOA/3-Mar-20/Will Accept/IL/Congressional, Senatorial / Direct Appointment
102)JD2024/DS/No-LOA/28-Feb-20/Accepted/FL/Congressional/Direct Appointment
103)Navychief07/son/no LOA/27-FEB-20/Accepted/FL/Congressional/Presidential/Direct Appointment
104)Aedan17/self/Enlisted/09MAR20/ACCEPTED/SECNAV/NAPS
105) Tatsunokojiro/DD/LOA/09-Mar-20/Undecided/TX/Congressional/Direct Appointment
106) Sooth18/Self/LOA/10-Mar-20/Undecided/OR/Senatorial/Direct Appointment
107) richard_miao/DS/NO LOA/10-Mar-20/Undecided/GA/Congressional/Direct Appointment
108) afm7896/Self/No LOA/11-Mar-20/Will Accept/GA/Congressional/College Re-Applicant
109)FE8251/DD/No LOA/09-Mar-20/Accepted/FL/Presidential/JROTC/Congressional/NAPS
110)sm2019/Self/No LOA/12-Mar-20/Undecided/OH/Presidential/Senatorial/NROTC/College-Reapplicant
 
FutureAdademyDad? said:
Sorry, but you are just wrong. Period.

As the "CEO of a multimillion company" you should be well aware that that personnel matters are confidential.

Moreover, the plain and simple fact is that many of the the candidates about whom their parents post such outraged and indignant protestations of inequitable consideration by the admissions board are really just average candidates.

That is not meant to be insulting. It is just factual. Average candidates when measured against the whole field. Average when measured in light of all the criteria that comprise the admissions rubric.

Frankly, just stop your sobbing and recognize that other applicants more closely match the requirements of this particular admissions cycle. It is not a slight on any of the applicants who are not accepted. It is just a reflection of the reality of the process.

In every race, the majority of the competitors will not medal. But they should be respected, and should respect themselves, for having competed in the first place.
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READ I HAVE AN ENSIGN...I JUST BELIEVE @AREYOUKIDDINGME HAS A GREAT POINT AND ALL OF THOSE ON HERE WHO THINK THEY KNOW IT ALL HAVE ATTACKED ME. PLEASE REREAD I AM THE PARENT OF A GRADUATE!!!! WAKE UP FOLKS READ THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION!
 
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