USNA Class of 2027 Waiting and Speculating

Lkt said:
We had a fantastic MOC interview process where I learned SO much about the process (Kudos to Con. Jennifer Wexton and Anthony Barnes!):). Each MOC or Senator can have 10 candidates in each service Academy at one time. So they will have 2 or 3 in each class year. That’s why most years they only have 2 or most 3 nominations to give out. If a candidate graduates or leaves then they’d have another spot open. Knowing this, getting a nomination is even more amazing! On the upside, some MOCs and Senators don’t fill their nom spots (think very small rural places likely) and they go into a database that can be assigned by the service Academy to get highly qualified candidates a nom. Even if you didn’t get a direct nom, don’t worry yet, you could get one of these. Again, the lesson learned is don’t give up!!:)
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Each MOC or Senator can have 5 appointees to a SA at one time. They could have all 5 in one year - which they wouldn’t do. They try to have one per year, and can have an extra slate. They can nominate up to 10 candidates for each slate available.

I won’t even try to dissect the rest of this.
 
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Runnerthirteen said:
My understanding was that the MOC can't have more than 10 nominations and that at most they can have 5 at each SA at a time. I've read the pinned info and I swear, the more I read and reread it, the more confused I get. Best to just trust the process and hope the best.
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The best is to read this site and follow the knowledgeable people like @Capt MJ, @NavyHoops or the BGOs and retired military.

This site has plenty of great info, and great posters. Great links to official policy and law. Don’t follow new parents (like me) or new candidates. I would even confirm what MOC staff tell you - they aren’t experts and there are documented cases where they are wrong.

Parents and candidate are well meaning.
 
Lkt said:
We had a fantastic MOC interview process where I learned SO much about the process (Kudos to Con. Jennifer Wexton and Anthony Barnes!):). Each MOC or Senator can have 10 candidates in each service Academy at one time. So they will have 2 or 3 in each class year. That’s why most years they only have 2 or most 3 nominations to give out. If a candidate graduates or leaves then they’d have another spot open. Knowing this, getting a nomination is even more amazing! On the upside, some MOCs and Senators don’t fill their nom spots (think very small rural places likely) and they go into a database that can be assigned by the service Academy to get highly qualified candidates a nom. Even if you didn’t get a direct nom, don’t worry yet, you could get one of these. Again, the lesson learned is don’t give up!!:)
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A few adjustments to this - please read pinned post at top of Nominations forum and review advanced reading below.

To outline the basics:
-USCGA: No nominations required.
-USMMA: some unique state requirements and some nom sources not available, as they are at the DoD SAs
-USMA, USNA, USAFA:
- can each have 5 appointees spread across 4 classes at each DoD SA. That means some class years might have 2 appointees in a class.
- a slate (list) of up to 10 nominees can be submitted for each open appointment slot. Most years, that will be 1 slate for 1 appointment that will be charged to that elected official.
- there are various methods for ranking or not ranking the slate, including a principal nomination method.
- elected officials are free to run their application process, evaluations, selections, deadlines, notifications, etc., any way they wish.
- in some states, the elected officials collaborate to not duplicate names across their slates or agree to give only 1 nom to a candidate, even if the candidate has applied to multiple SAs.
- the SAs themselves control nom authorities they manage. This allows them to offer appointments to other fully qualified candidates on a elected official’s slate; those appointments are not charged to the elected official, but to another nom authority managed by the SA.
-candidates listed on an elected official’s slate may have also received noms from other sources, such as service-connected noms.


*** On their websites, the SAs encourage candidates to apply for ALL nominations for which they are eligible. For most applicants, at a minimum, that is 2 Senators, 1 Representative and VP, plus any service-connected nomination sources. This gives the candidate more “nom buckets” to compete for the appointments charged to those nom sources.

Advanced reading:
 
Is there a list anywhere publicly available of the number of appointees currently in attendance by MOC? The numbers geek in me would love to see how many "slots" are taken. :cool:
 
Chip07 said:
Is there a list anywhere publicly available of the number of appointees currently in attendance by MOC? The numbers geek in me would love to see how many "slots" are taken. :cool:
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Not one that I've ever seen.
 
Chip07 said:
Is there a list anywhere publicly available of the number of appointees currently in attendance by MOC? The numbers geek in me would love to see how many "slots" are taken. :cool:
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It will be 5 or less for each MOC. I don’t think there is an externally published list that tracks each MOC and if they have 2 appointees in 2023, 1 in 2024, 1 in 2025,1 in 2026, for example. If an appointee leaves before graduation, then the MOC staffers and Admissions confer on the slate strategy for next cycle.

If you look at the MOC press releases, they can be misleading. At least one, possibly two, of those appointees, might be the ones whose appointments are charged to the MOC. Other appointees on the slate are charged to other nom authorities. No way to necessarily know who is charged where.
 
Lkt said:
Each MOC or Senator can have 10 candidates in each service Academy at one time. So they will have 2 or 3 in each class year. That’s why most years they only have 2 or most 3 nominations to give out.
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Whoa! Stop the presses! There are surely good intentions behind this post, but the information is wholly incorrect.

Each MOC is allowed to have five mids/cadets at each SA charged to them at one time. So essentially, one for each year, plus a spare. That’s it. Nothing more. Full stop.

Good people of SAF: There’s an outstanding sticky post re nominations at the very front/top of the forum. It’s been vetted by our longtime forum veterans who know this stuff very well. Other than the SAs themselves, it’s the closest we have to a definitive source.

(DW is a former Capitol Hill staffer. She’ll be the first to admit that congressional aides, despite their air of authority and knowledge, are not necessarily authoritative or knowledgeable. Even the MOCs they work for don’t necessarily fully understand the nom process.)

* Cross-posted with @OldRetSWO, @Capt MJ and @A1Janitor. They know of what they speak.
 
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My very bad!!! Thank you so much to all of you for clarifying my complete misunderstanding. I’m so sorry to have made this more confusing and have tried to delete my post (I reported it!) I sincerely appreciate all you super knowledgeable folks who took the time to correct my ignorance. Thank you!! I want to please reiterate that these are my misinterpretations and the great information I received from my MOC was detailed and remarkably helpful and it was I who did not pass it forward correctly. They were awesome and deserve so much credit for their process and helpfulness. Sorry again everyone!
 
Lkt said:
My very bad!!! Thank you so much to all of you for clarifying my complete misunderstanding. I’m so sorry to have made this more confusing and have tried to delete my post (I reported it!) I sincerely appreciate all you super knowledgeable folks who took the time to correct my ignorance. Thank you!! I want to please reiterate that these are my misinterpretations and the great information I received from my MOC was detailed and remarkably helpful and it was I who did not pass it forward correctly. They were awesome and deserve so much credit for their process and helpfulness. Sorry again everyone!
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This is a place to learn and share. There was a bit of a pile-on, and you survived it. We all want the same thing - people to have correct information to make informed decisions.
 
Lkt said:
My very bad!!! Thank you so much to all of you for clarifying my complete misunderstanding.
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We’ve all been there, trying to decipher the puzzle that is SA nominations and appointments. It ain’t easy! 😉

It was indeed a “pile-on,” but nothing personal. We’re all just trying to make sure candidates have the best information possible.
 
Lkt said:
I have some inside information on this. At a very well done event my son and I attended, the upfront reps were absolutely awesome in answering direct questions. They said 60% of the applicants can’t clear DODMERB even with waivers. It is that tough and tougher with all the new things that can DQ a candidate. I actually was incredibly relieved that my son was passed as I knew it was that hard. On the positive note, my son’s plebe at CVW was awesome and was DQed and waited a year for the waiver to come in and then got the call while in his last freshman semester at another college! Lesson learned is don’t give up!!:)
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60%!? Wow! That's significantly worse than I thought. It's good for those who did pass but kind of a sad statement on today's youth. They're fighting a tough battle to make the best choices they can and some have been dealt a rough hand from the get-go. But I wonder what what stats were 20 and 40 years ago. Is our population just becoming less physically capable? Thanks for sharing this! It gives me a glimmer of hope to hang on to knowing my son passed both DoDMERB and CFA.
 
NavyBrazilUSA said:
My DS just got a email from MOC congratulating him on being accepted to USNA 27 !!! I am crying until now… the attached letter from USNA says tomorrow he‘ll see in the system. My grandpa was a general in the Brazilian Army, my uncle was a Brigadier General at Brazilian Air Force, Stanford Professor, and now my son will be an officer at the US Navy. I am forever grateful to this amazing Country. GO NAVY !!! BEAT ARMY !!!
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Congrats. I feel the same way, so grateful to this country, love that you said that.
I see you are in Florida, the support of our parents’ clubs is amazing, I highly recommend to look for the one your family belong to, according to your location. Soon the Welcome Aboard Events for plebes will start. Don’t miss it.
 
SnootyHen said:
60%!? Wow! That's significantly worse than I thought. It's good for those who did pass but kind of a sad statement on today's youth. They're fighting a tough battle to make the best choices they can and some have been dealt a rough hand from the get-go. But I wonder what what stats were 20 and 40 years ago. Is our population just becoming less physically capable? Thanks for sharing this! It gives me a glimmer of hope to hang on to knowing my son passed both DoDMERB and CFA.
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My DQ’ed sons grandpa gained 15 pounds at Paris island in 1966….and his great grandpa ate better in the army from 1940-1945. My DQ’ed son attended Summer seminar and seal elite wrestling camp stuck it out and loved it. At no time was his “lazy 20/30 eye” an issue. Fell in love with the the naval architecture degree at summer seminar.

In a just world he would have the opportunity to challenge and “wrestle off” for a spot…instead of being denied access for such outdated standards. How much is a f-35 helmet?
 
Kentucky9 said:
My DQ’ed sons grandpa gained 15 pounds at Paris island in 1966….and his great grandpa ate better in the army from 1940-1945. My DQ’ed son attended Summer seminar and seal elite wrestling camp stuck it out and loved it. At no time was his “lazy 20/30 eye” an issue. Fell in love with the the naval architecture degree at summer seminar.

In a just world he would have the opportunity to challenge and “wrestle off” for a spot…instead of being denied access for such outdated standards. How much is a f-35 helmet?
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How many of the dq’d aren’t considered for waivers because the competition on their slates won the “wrestle off” WCS?
 
SnootyHen said:
60%!? Wow! That's significantly worse than I thought. It's good for those who did pass but kind of a sad statement on today's youth. They're fighting a tough battle to make the best choices they can and some have been dealt a rough hand from the get-go. But I wonder what what stats were 20 and 40 years ago. Is our population just becoming less physically capable? Thanks for sharing this! It gives me a glimmer of hope to hang on to knowing my son passed both DoDMERB and CFA.
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I don't know that this is a fair assessment. DS was DQ'd for color blindness only, a genetic variation he has no control over and is extremely competitive to waiver. He is not less physically capable and actually won a state football championship during his junior year. CFA was easily passed. Having spent my fair share of time on the Dodmerb page most students seem to be DQ'd for sports related injuries, allergies, and vision issues....not obesity or conditions that would render them physically incapable. Students who are indeed physically less capable would probably be deterred from applying in the first place by having to pass the CFA.
 
Kentucky9 said:
Too many unknowns to reach a reasonable conclusion
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Absolutely.

We waited through the waiver process knowing it could go either way. It was nerve wracking, and ultimately we didn’t know all the variables admissions knew.

We got lucky that it fell in my son’s favor. All it would have taken to go the other way was one stronger candidate on his slate or one similar color blind candidate that was a better fit for their puzzle than my son.
 
Unfortunately we are at that point in the process, where amazing, spectacular, deserving candidates will receive news they don’t want. This is the time in the process, with the highest highs of an appointment, and the lowest lows of a ‘no’.

We will never know the entire decision process of who receives the appointment. But I’m 100pct certain, that every candidate on that slate, is exceptional. And that their parent thinks they are the one that deserves the ticket, that only one candidate can ‘win’.

I beg to differ that medical standards are antiquated. In fact, it’s the opposite. They continue to evolve with the more that is known. More information. More stats. More technology. Some medical standards have changed with my short time here on the forums (ie: mental health).

My oldest was medically DQ’ed. He found another path. Fast forward 12 yrs and he is happy, healthy, and serving in the Guard, attended and completed college on their dime. He grew where he was planted, and living his best life.

A TWE is not the end. It’s a course adjustment.
 
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