USNA Mid charged in incident

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Well Maximus- sorry to say I absolutely am biased. Here's my bias: I have no use for people who troll for and post legitimate news stories stories and then enhance them with subtle little editorials to further their own little conspiracy fantasies. This midshipman will either go thru the Civilian judicial system in Annapolis or will go thru the military judicial system at USNA and his crime, guilt and innocence will be determined accordingly. It is not fair to anyone involved to imply that they are either guilty or deserve a certain punishment without any information beyond what can be gleaned from what some of the posters on this site like to disparage as the despised MSM.
So Yes I am biased - This is the US Service Academy forum and (unlike the OP for example) I have actually devoted most of my adult life to having my ass on the line for the country and I respect those who do now, or will in the near future and the institutions that they serve. So I will reserve judgement on the guilt of this young man and more importantly on the integrity of USNA and the military judicial system (surely you didn't read the post that implied that this Mid was going to avoid punishment because he was an Admiral's son and a baseball player and not understand that it was a slap at the fundamental integrity of USNA did you?) until there are a few more facts and decisions rendered. And if that midshipman is convicted then I will judge at that time whether I believe his punishment is just and sufficient. As with USNA1985 - I have no problem saying that it is disappointing when any incident real or even just reported happens involving any midshipmen, cadets or enlisted soldiers or officers. But it's not a mark of "telling truth to power" to rush to judgment on anyone or to deliberately disparage an institution like USNA with sly digs about "released to the duty officer" & "the Admirals son" getting off (before they have had the chance to even investigate). So if that's displaying bias- I guess that all I can do is tell you to tear off a TS chit because that is my bias. Perhaps you would like to argue that we should all race to determine not only the level of the guilt or innocence of this mid but also an appropriate punishment?
 
Examples of ALLEGED crimes as these, committed by Midshipmen or Cadets, REGARDLESS OF WHICH ACADEMY THEY ATTEND should serve as poignant reminders to all academy applicants that their conduct and character must be above the level at which we hold most civilians college kids.

Yes, had they not been academy members the incidents, as USNA1985 says, "wouldn't have made more than the local weekly paper as a two-line item."

But we expect more from our Mids and Cadets, as we should.

I shudder to think what may have happened to these Mids had they chosen the home of a gun-owning Annapolis citizen.
 
bruno said:
Well Maximus- sorry to say I absolutely am biased. Here's my bias: I have no use for people who troll for and post legitimate news stories stories and then enhance them with subtle little editorials to further their own little conspiracy fantasies. This midshipman will either go thru the Civilian judicial system in Annapolis or will go thru the military judicial system at USNA and his crime, guilt and innocence will be determined accordingly. It is not fair to anyone involved to imply that they are either guilty or deserve a certain punishment without any information beyond what can be gleaned from what some of the posters on this site like to disparage as the despised MSM.
So Yes I am biased - This is the US Service Academy forum and (unlike the OP for example) I have actually devoted most of my adult life to having my ass on the line for the country and I respect those who do now, or will in the near future and the institutions that they serve. So I will reserve judgement on the guilt of this young man and more importantly on the integrity of USNA and the military judicial system (surely you didn't read the post that implied that this Mid was going to avoid punishment because he was an Admiral's son and a baseball player and not understand that it was a slap at the fundamental integrity of USNA did you?) until there are a few more facts and decisions rendered. And if that midshipman is convicted then I will judge at that time whether I believe his punishment is just and sufficient. As with USNA1985 - I have no problem saying that it is disappointing when any incident real or even just reported happens involving any midshipmen, cadets or enlisted soldiers or officers. But it's not a mark of "telling truth to power" to rush to judgment on anyone or to deliberately disparage an institution like USNA with sly digs about "released to the duty officer" & "the Admirals son" getting off (before they have had the chance to even investigate). So if that's displaying bias- I guess that all I can do is tell you to tear off a TS chit because that is my bias. Perhaps you would like to argue that we should all race to determine not only the level of the guilt or innocence of this mid but also an appropriate punishment?
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Based on the previous USNA Administration's questionable record of punishment and discipline (documented, no bias or vendetta here, you can look it up) any reasonable person would be wise to carefully watch how the new USNA Administration handles the ALLEGED criminal behavior of those under his command.
 
Yes, had they not been academy members the incidents, as USNA1985 says, "wouldn't have made more than the local weekly paper as a two-line item."
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I don't totally agree with this. While I think the Baltimore Sun just loves to print anything salacious about the Naval Academy; if this were two Towson students it would have been a story. Read any newspaper near a local college and these types of incidents are frequently reported.

Based on the previous USNA Administration's questionable record of punishment and discipline (documented, no bias or vendetta here, you can look it up) any reasonable person would be wise to carefully watch how the new USNA Administration handles the ALLEGED criminal behavior of those under his command.
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I see where you are going and this proves Bruno's hypothesis is correct. This is a legal matter - it will be handled by either the Annapolis Police or NCIS.
Are you claiming that either of those two law enforcement entities are corrupt? Careful there.......
 
@ Luigi - The Baltimore Sun is still reporting that charges on both midshipmen are pending.
 
Just_A_Mom said:
I don't totally agree with this. While I think the Baltimore Sun just loves to print anything salacious about the Naval Academy
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The story was originally broke by the Annapolis Capital, not the Sun.

JustAMom said:
I see where you are going and this proves Bruno's hypothesis is correct.
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"Bruno's hypothesis" is nonsense. But who cares, other than you and he. The many PMs and emails I get from other posters who see the bias confirms a lot of what I say. Whatever. :rolleyes:

JustAMom said:
This is a legal matter - it will be handled by either the Annapolis Police or NCIS.
Are you claiming that either of those two law enforcement entities are corrupt? Careful there.......
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I have no knowledge of the Annapolis PD or NCIS and I really couldn't care less about them. Their corruption if it exists does not interest me.

What interests me is how the new USNA Administration is going to handle the punishment of these Mids who are ALLEGED to have committed these very well-publicized crimes, and if participation as a D-1 athlete or having an Admiral as a family member may play a part in a two-tiered punishment system at USNA, as has happened in the past.

And anyone, Mod or poster, who thinks that those factors will never play a part is either ignorant or naive.
 
Just_A_Mom said:
@ Luigi - The Baltimore Sun is still reporting that charges on both midshipmen are pending.
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@Just A Mom - The Annapolis Capital says otherwise, both in the headline and in the story:

"Mid charged in incident" is the headline

and the story says:

"A statement of charges was filed to the District Court Commissioner's Office"

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FYI - Charges have been released -

Burglary, 4th degree*
Malicious Destruction of Property over $500

*In Maryland, under title 6, subtitle 2 of the criminal law code, the crime of burglary is divided into four degrees. The first three degrees are felonies, while fourth-degree burglary is a misdemeanor. Breaking and entering into a dwelling with intent to commit theft or a crime of violence is first-degree burglary. Breaking and entering into a "storehouse" (a structure other than a dwelling, also including watercraft, aircraft, railroad cars, and vessels) with intent to commit theft, arson, or a crime of violence is second-degree burglary. Third-degree burglary is defined as breaking and entering into a dwelling with intent to commit a crime. Simple breaking and entering into a dwelling or storehouse without specific intent to commit an additional crime is fourth-degree burglary.
 
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usna1985 said:
If you're suggesting that we're biased in favor of the military, that's true. If you're suggesting that, whether we are USNA grads or not, the story is disheartening and that most of us don't take pleasure in it, that's also true.

I would feel the same way if the individuals involved were from USMA, USAFA, etc. I don't revel in another's discomfiture or misery, even if it is self-inflicted.

If it's determined the individuals committed a crime, they will (and should be) punished. If not, they should vindicated (but won't be b/c that's how things work). In any event, they -- as with anyone accused of a crime in this country -- deserve the benefit of the doubt and the presumption of innocence until the issue is resolved.

That's not bias -- that's the way our justice system operates.
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Again-please-excuse-my-space-key-function.

Never-said-biased-over-military-it's-just-funny-to-watch-the-current-clique-here-squirm-over-their-hipocracy...lol:shake:

Some-here-really-need-a-hobby-other-than-following-the-every-move-some-member(s)-make,-talking-about-their-right-to-be-here???...lol:yllol:
Don't-get-me-wrong-I-love-the-forum-and-it's-information-but-when-a-mod-and-former-mod-come-into-a-thread-and-continually-attack-anything-Luigi-posts-it's-rediculous....I-don't-see-any-poster-here-putting-the-accused-in-jail...The-OP-was-within-forum-rules-to-post-the-article.

Blather-on-about-how-you're-"Pro-Military"-so-am-I.:thumb:


Damn-it's-distracting-typing-like-this.....
 
Luigi59 said:
Burglary, 4th degree*
Malicious Destruction of Property over $500

..Simple breaking and entering into a dwelling or storehouse without specific intent to commit an additional crime is fourth-degree burglary.
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This is part of the reason we need to wait for a possible guilty verdict before demeaning these Mids. There may be a very good reason why they may have broken in and entered a dwelling without specific intent to commit an additional crime. Probably just a big misunderstanding.

Does anyone know whether there is a specific curfew for these Mids? Maybe they weren't even there.
 
aglages said:
This is part of the reason we need to wait for a possible guilty verdict before demeaning these Mids. There may be a very good reason why they may have broken in and entered a dwelling without specific intent to commit an additional crime. Probably just a big misunderstanding.

Does anyone know whether there is a specific curfew for these Mids? Maybe they weren't even there.
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The-one-article-states-Firstie's-have-a-midnight-curfue-the-incedent-happened-at-1:00am...:eek:
 
but-when-a-mod-and-former-mod-come-into-a-thread-and-continually-attack-anything-Luigi-posts
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Although I'm a mod, the overwhelming majority of my posts are made as a person who happens to be a mod. Mods are entitled to our personal viewpoints just like you and other posters.

No attacks were made. Polite disagreement is not an attack.

Now, let's either get back to the topic or move on.
 
usna1985 said:
Although I'm a mod, the overwhelming majority of my posts are made as a person who happens to be a mod. Mods are entitled to our personal viewpoints just like you and other posters.

No attacks were made. Polite disagreement is not an attack.

Now, let's either get back to the topic or move on.
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I-wasn't-referring-to-you-with-the-biased-comment.

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usna1985 said:
No attacks were made. Polite disagreement is not an attack.
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So for clarification's sake, accusing a poster (me) of being a troll and having a vendetta is not a personal attack, and we are free to do it?

If so, I have lots to say. :rolleyes:

If not, a Mod owes me an apology.

I have a pretty long history here of providing valuable information to candidates in all forums, and to be called a troll by a Mod is out of line, period.
 
aglages said:
Does anyone know whether there is a specific curfew for these Mids? Maybe they weren't even there.
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Yeah, it was probably 2 civilian guys pretending to be Mids who were found hiding in the woods, bloodied, and turned over to the Naval Academy Duty Officer along with the USNA cap and ribbons found at the scene.
 
Luigi59 said:
Yeah, it was probably 2 civilian guys pretending to be Mids who were found hiding in the woods, bloodied, and turned over to the Naval Academy Duty Officer along with the USNA cap and ribbons found at the scene.
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See!? There could be a plausible explanation. That would also explain how it might have occured after curfew. Obviously civilians are not required to adhere to USNA curfew rules. Fortunately for the civilians that might have been involved the Naval Academy Duty Officer probably didn't recognize that they were not Mids when he took custody of them. Imagine his/her embarrassment when he got back to the USNA!:eek:
 
Luigi et al...... I don't object to posting the story. I object to the editorializing, characterization and insinuation that the Naval academy leadership is to blame and/or corrupt. It's not uncommon for different media outlets to publish stories with conflicting details - especially when they are trying to 'scoop'.

Stories such as this are really nothing new. Mids and Cadets (from other academies) sometimes commit crimes. They are subject to UCMJ and tried either in civilian or military court.
Since you continually post about the Naval Academy and not other service academies people are left with the impression that these types of things only happen at USNA (not true) or that you have a vendetta against USNA. A few years back a couple of USMA cadets were caught dealing coke out of their barracks. As far as I know they are still in the brig.

My advice - post the story but cut the snarky comments.

This is pure specualtion - I doubt either of these mids will ever be commissioned and I can't help thinking that a girl(s) might somehow be involved.

Parents of Service Academy and ROTC kids - talk to your kids about this story and others. Make this a learning moment and have a discussion of how and why Mids and Cadets do illegal and stupid actions - namely alcohol.
 
Anytime a service member is arrested, betrays the trust of the public, etc etc etc, it should be public. Obviously administrative measures are private. The American tax payer funds their education (and my undergrad and grad, thank you!), it is well within their right to not only want to know, but to remain informed. If two Towson students do the same thing....they are private citizens....if it's two midshipmen....they are public servants (even if that only means a free education ride for those first 4 years).


I'm not sure why Bruno wants to ignore this stuff. I suspect this is why members of the press believe the military likes to cover up bad news.

You don't get arrested for doing the right thing. :rolleyes:
 
I don't know what the mission statements are for West Point, Annapolis, the Air Force Academy, and Kings Point are, but I do know the Coast Guard Academy's missions statement starts with "To graduate young men and women with sound bodies, stout hearts and alert minds...."


Not all cadets or midshipmen are going to be perfect, or close to it. It's up to my alma mater, and I would assume the other four service academies, to GRADUATE the right people....not start out with them.

My class lost about 33% of the people we started with.
 
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