USNA Sailboats

Does sail training make a good officer?

  • Definitely

    Votes: 12 60.0%
  • Not really

    Votes: 4 20.0%
  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I dont know

    Votes: 4 20.0%

  • Total voters
    20

THParent

Founder - Service Academy Bacon Forums (SABF)
Joined
Oct 15, 2017
Messages
4,711
my experience with Straits of Gibralter is passing through late at night, and going up to the catwalk on the edge of the flight deck, and looking at the Morrocan coast with NVG's

and almost dropping the NVGs overboard.....

that would have been an uncomfortable conversation with the Skipper, since said NVGs were locked up and were only to be accessed for scheduled NVG missions
So what you're saying is that these particular Night Vision Goggles were Not Voluntarily Given to you and that you would be Noticed Very Guilty of procuring said NVGs in a Not Very Good way, then?
 
Joined
Feb 22, 2019
Messages
99
My DS *LOVED* it first block this summer! Even though they neglected to empty the septic tank before heading into the harbor in NY and it was full by the time they anchored in Stamford at 0300...and didn't get off the boat until well after 0800.

GPS did pretty well - sometimes we had 8 hours without a signal, but nothing more than that thankfully. It was like Plebe Summer hunting for Waldo all over again but just hitting the refresh button on Marine Traffic all over again :). They hit a pretty bad storm on the way back - when DS finally was able to communicate, he said he was at the helm when the storm hit and the toe rails were in the water and at one point they saw 56 knot gusts. This mama is glad I found that out after the fact and I was blissfully unaware (on purpose) of the weather! Apparently as soon as they got through the storm, they started blaring the Pirates of the Caribbean theme song. :D
Drew the short straw and got Stamford YC instead of Indian Harbor in Greenwich?
 

Skipper07

Sandblower
Joined
Sep 29, 2017
Messages
493
The Navy 44s and YPs wreak havoc on the chesapeake. Always nicely in the middle of the channel meeting deep loaded bulkers bound for the capes.
Sir, as much as I don’t want to, I will take responsibility for my A-Nav putting us in the middle of the channel by the time I woke up around 2am. He, I, and the skipper had a talk after I spent an hour or so deconflicting with a couple tugs and a handful of tankers. While less than ideal, we all learned valuable lessons that night.

On that note, I am continuously amazed by the professionalism and competency of the Chesapeake pilots. They know who we are, they recognize our lack of experience (and at times complete incompetence) and they convey the seriousness of their job over the VHF while managing to be incredibly helpful. They certainly demand the respect that all maritime professionals deserve.
 

Don't Give Up the Ship

BGO & USNA 2023 Dad
Joined
Jun 21, 2018
Messages
518
Sir, as much as I don’t want to, I will take responsibility for my A-Nav putting us in the middle of the channel by the time I woke up around 2am. He, I, and the skipper had a talk after I spent an hour or so deconflicting with a couple tugs and a handful of tankers. While less than ideal, we all learned valuable lessons that night.

On that note, I am continuously amazed by the professionalism and competency of the Chesapeake pilots. They know who we are, they recognize our lack of experience (and at times complete incompetence) and they convey the seriousness of their job over the VHF while managing to be incredibly helpful. They certainly demand the respect that all maritime professionals deserve.
One rule not in the Rules of the Road, is the "law of tonnage". Sometimes, its wise to give way to large vessels...just because... Do they teach the
Fate of Captain O'Day at USNA?
 

OldRetSWO

USNA 78/parent 11/BGO for >25yrs
10-Year Member
Joined
Aug 27, 2010
Messages
2,584
One rule not in the Rules of the Road, is the "law of tonnage". Sometimes, its wise to give way to large vessels...just because... Do they teach the
Fate of Captain O'Day at USNA?
That law is similar to the sentiment of the harbor pilot in Morehead City on my first visit there. We were inbound and there was an outbound (with pilot) who was running up the middle of the channel. Our pilot let loose some choice words and then ended with "I'll make that bastard EAT STEEL" which was quite unsettling to my CO (on one side of the pilot) and me (other side). It turned out that "that bastard" was the pilot aboard the other ship who was also his brother.
.
Thankfully there was no steel eating that day.
 
Last edited:

Don't Give Up the Ship

BGO & USNA 2023 Dad
Joined
Jun 21, 2018
Messages
518
That law is similar to the sentiment of the harbor pilot in Morehead City on my first visit there. We were inbound and there was an outbound (with pilot) who was running up the middle of the channel. Our pilot let loose some choice words and then ended with "I'll make that bastard EAT STEEL" which was quite unsettling to my CO (on one side of the pilot) and me (other side). It turned out that "that bastard" was the pilot aboard the other ship who was also his brother.
.
Thankfully there was no steel eating that day.
What, nepotism in State Pilot Organizations....tell me its not true!
 

beyond

KπΣ15'
10-Year Member
Joined
Dec 8, 2010
Messages
550
Sir, as much as I don’t want to, I will take responsibility for my A-Nav putting us in the middle of the channel by the time I woke up around 2am.

Lolz. Dude, this wasn't directed at anyone in particular. This is an everyday occurrence for the YPs and the 44s in the bay. Hell I watched four of them loose a game of chicken with a set of rocks in front of Kings Point my plebe year. Don't sweat it too much. If you think the 44s and YPs are bad you should see what the carriers and destroyers do at cape henry, because it's far more terrifying.

As a learning experience though, I draw 9 meters up the bay and we regulary depart from the deepwater route, no need to be in the middle if you can give way to someone that does.
 

deepdraft1

Master, Ocean Steam or Motor Vessels, unlimited
10-Year Member
Joined
Jan 21, 2009
Messages
511
Sir, as much as I don’t want to, I will take responsibility for my A-Nav putting us in the middle of the channel by the time I woke up around 2am. He, I, and the skipper had a talk after I spent an hour or so deconflicting with a couple tugs and a handful of tankers. While less than ideal, we all learned valuable lessons that night.

As a learning experience though, I draw 9 meters up the bay and we regularly depart from the deepwater route, no need to be in the middle if you can give way to someone that does.
@Skipper07 a review of the ColRegs by the A-Nav is probably in order.. particularly the Steering and Sailing Rules, Rule 9(b)..

I had to chuckle a bit when I saw this picture of a Navy YP.. Looks like the hull is fitted out with some kind of permanent rubber fender/rubbing rail system.. They probably got tired of repairing hull damage that resulted from rookie drivers having allisions with piers..:)

YP707-1.jpg
 

retiredradar

Member
Joined
Dec 9, 2019
Messages
143
My son and one of his classmates are at our house on Cape Cod (for a few more days). Today we picked up another 2023 MIDN off one of the USNA sail boats that are spending an overnight in Woods Hole. Operation Water Buffalo provides a decent nights sleep and a good shower for some of these MIDN on the 44 ft. boats. Its amazing how these classmates take care of each other-even if they have never met each other. I think I will cook them a good breakfast (with Bacon of course). View attachment 9658Go NAVY!
We live in Falmouth. My mid, hubby and I went down last Sunday night and caught some mids before they left for the night. Next year I'll go earlier to see if anyone needs anything. Today we went around the Vineyard to watch VOST boats. Zaraffa was doing awesome!
 

Don't Give Up the Ship

BGO & USNA 2023 Dad
Joined
Jun 21, 2018
Messages
518
@Skipper07 a review of the ColRegs by the A-Nav is probably in order.. particularly the Steering and Sailing Rules, Rule 9(b)..

I had to chuckle a bit when I saw this picture of a Navy YP.. Looks like the hull is fitted out with some kind of permanent rubber fender/rubbing rail system.. They probably got tired of repairing hull damage that resulted from rookie drivers having allisions with piers..:)

View attachment 9728
How about those manned models in Grenoble Ship Handling school. Solid rubber bulbous bows-I recall.
 

deepdraft1

Master, Ocean Steam or Motor Vessels, unlimited
10-Year Member
Joined
Jan 21, 2009
Messages
511
How about those manned models in Grenoble Ship Handling school. Solid rubber bulbous bows-I recall.
Never made it to Grenoble Ship Handling School.. I wish I would've had the chance to go there. APL did send me to MSI Newport and MSI San Diego a couple of times though.. I also did a couple of reserve stints as an instructor for the Officers Practical Shiphandling Course [the Navy's version of Grenoble] at the Naval Amphibious Base in Little Creek, VA.. That was a blast. Here's a picture I took docking one of the models on Lake Bradford.. This was the USS SYLVANIA which was the single screw/low power combination model.. They had me instructing in that model because of my Merchant Marine background.

PICT0226754.JPG
 
Joined
Feb 22, 2019
Messages
99
I'm curious why Stamford YC would be drawing the short straw? Are they not good hosts to the Mids there?
An attempt at humor. Stamford's snootier YC neighbors in Greenwich (Belle Haven, Indian Harbor, Riverside) have a bit of a superiority complex in terms of their sailing ability and the quality of their facilities.
 
Top