Pima
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Let me clarify my last post.
I do not see them as AD because they are not eligible for short notice TDY or deployments. Yes, they must adhere to UCMJ, but that does not mean they are Active Duty in a traditional sense.
Yes, in essence, they are military members, they have their CAC, but there is a difference in AD and what the military can place upon them and what they can place upon a cadet. To say an AD military member is the same pool as the cadet is incorrect. I bend and say they are AD military members, but I will not bend to say they are FULL TIME AD. Full time means to me you are charged leave, and additionally they can send your arse anywhere they want to at a moment's notice. This is not the case for an SA cadet/
Are you really trying to say that cadets are equal to AD members in every aspect? That was my point. They aren't. They are still cadets. This is their learning period with limited aspects of the AD world. There is more to AD than just the UCMJ.
BTW I am well aware of the vet status because it comes into play big time when you retire. Bullet works now for the govt, and his military experience (yrs) played into how many leave days he was eligible for because those yrs count.
Finally, let's really drive home the point of it being AD. An SA cadet comes in as O1 with no yrs. The military does not count those yrs as AD regarding pay scales. I bend to that. If the military deemed cadets as AD they would enter as O1 with 4 yrs. They don't! They enter as O1 with O, just like ROTC or OCS.
Does the military pay for the cadet to move every summer out of the dorms, i.e per diem, TLA, DLA, etc? Do they have a moving weight allowance like the AD? It is not enough to say they pay the air fare because they are on orders. There is a lot more to a PCS. A PCS occurs after 6 months on station. If you say this is not a PCS, but just leave, because they are returning to their station. Then the fact is they go through more than 30 days of leave per yr, which is what an AD member accrues annually. How can you be AD have more than 30 days leave? Tally it up for me...5 days Thanksgiving, 20 days Winter, 10 days spring, 21 days summer...that is more than 30 days. Anyone AD knows that 30 days is not 6 weeks of 5 day work weeks. Take leave on Saturday and return the following Monday and it counts as 9, not 5, those 2 weekends count as leave, even though they were weekends.
A cadet is not allowed to be married or have dependents...an AD member is. The cadet can not even as a C1C get a VA loan. The military has shown through various ways, deployment, benefits, and pay that they do not deem the cadet as an AD military member. UCMJ is just a vary small part of qualifying a service member as FULL TIME AD.
Now let's get back on track to Fowler.
His reputation will be just fine. Fowler falling on this sword has no impact on his future career. As a recent retired wife, the job was already signed on the dotted line before this piece. He wanted to make it his last stand regarding his beliefs. Left, Right or Center, Good for him to say it.
I do not see them as AD because they are not eligible for short notice TDY or deployments. Yes, they must adhere to UCMJ, but that does not mean they are Active Duty in a traditional sense.
Yes, in essence, they are military members, they have their CAC, but there is a difference in AD and what the military can place upon them and what they can place upon a cadet. To say an AD military member is the same pool as the cadet is incorrect. I bend and say they are AD military members, but I will not bend to say they are FULL TIME AD. Full time means to me you are charged leave, and additionally they can send your arse anywhere they want to at a moment's notice. This is not the case for an SA cadet/
Are you really trying to say that cadets are equal to AD members in every aspect? That was my point. They aren't. They are still cadets. This is their learning period with limited aspects of the AD world. There is more to AD than just the UCMJ.
BTW I am well aware of the vet status because it comes into play big time when you retire. Bullet works now for the govt, and his military experience (yrs) played into how many leave days he was eligible for because those yrs count.
Finally, let's really drive home the point of it being AD. An SA cadet comes in as O1 with no yrs. The military does not count those yrs as AD regarding pay scales. I bend to that. If the military deemed cadets as AD they would enter as O1 with 4 yrs. They don't! They enter as O1 with O, just like ROTC or OCS.
Does the military pay for the cadet to move every summer out of the dorms, i.e per diem, TLA, DLA, etc? Do they have a moving weight allowance like the AD? It is not enough to say they pay the air fare because they are on orders. There is a lot more to a PCS. A PCS occurs after 6 months on station. If you say this is not a PCS, but just leave, because they are returning to their station. Then the fact is they go through more than 30 days of leave per yr, which is what an AD member accrues annually. How can you be AD have more than 30 days leave? Tally it up for me...5 days Thanksgiving, 20 days Winter, 10 days spring, 21 days summer...that is more than 30 days. Anyone AD knows that 30 days is not 6 weeks of 5 day work weeks. Take leave on Saturday and return the following Monday and it counts as 9, not 5, those 2 weekends count as leave, even though they were weekends.
A cadet is not allowed to be married or have dependents...an AD member is. The cadet can not even as a C1C get a VA loan. The military has shown through various ways, deployment, benefits, and pay that they do not deem the cadet as an AD military member. UCMJ is just a vary small part of qualifying a service member as FULL TIME AD.
Now let's get back on track to Fowler.
His reputation will be just fine. Fowler falling on this sword has no impact on his future career. As a recent retired wife, the job was already signed on the dotted line before this piece. He wanted to make it his last stand regarding his beliefs. Left, Right or Center, Good for him to say it.
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