Value of Education

I tried to find them but are the other academies not listed because they’re “free”? I would assume they’d all be in the top as well no?
 
RandoGrad said:
Few years after graduation I was making ~$22k a month doing one of the coolest jobs in the world, as a 25 year old. And getting to experience things money can't buy.
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That pretty good dough you're making.. are you piloting?
 
deepdraft1 said:
That pretty good dough you're making.. are you piloting?
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22k a month x 6 mos = 132k, sounds like 2nd mate/2nd engineer. that probably inclusive of vacation. could be even 3rd mate/engineer money at some places.
 
Mr2020 said:
that probably inclusive of vacation
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It would have to be.. cause there's no way a 2nd Mate is making that kinda scratch per month without vacation pay.. As a point of reference my kid, who's currently sailing master, is making right around $190,000 per year, which includes his vacation pay for 6 months and his one hour per day ILPTO [in lieu of port time off] overtime.. Bottom line; the money is good.. and the paid time off is unmatched.. Unless you're working for MSC..
 
Don't Give Up the Ship said:
Not true. You can do this as a grad from any of the State Maritime Academies too.
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i don’t know much, rookie parent of a son with LOA to KP. I thought KP grads had a lisence upon graduation that was in someway superior to State schools, and that impacted initial earning potential. Is that wrong?
 
Pmaclax said:
i don’t know much, rookie parent of a son with LOA to KP. I thought KP grads had a lisence upon graduation that was in someway superior to State schools, and that impacted initial earning potential. Is that wrong?
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The State Maritime Academy Grads sit for the same USCG license(s), and compete for the same jobs as KP grads.
 
Don't Give Up the Ship said:
The State Maritime Academy Grads sit for the same USCG license(s) and compete for the same jobs as KP grads.
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Yes, but then what are the advantages of KP grads comparing State Maritime Academy Grads, as the state maritime is much easier to get in? Seek for any advice
 
deepdraft1 said:
It would have to be.. cause there's no way a 2nd Mate is making that kinda scratch per month without vacation pay.. As a point of reference my kid, who's currently sailing master, is making right around $190,000 per year, which includes his vacation pay for 6 months and his one hour per day ILPTO [in lieu of port time off] overtime.. Bottom line; the money is good.. and the paid time off is unmatched.. Unless you're working for MSC..
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MSC masters are working 4 month trips with equal time and making more than 190. for the lower officers/ratings there isn't much time off, but masters and chengs seem to have a special deal.
 
Mr2020 said:
MSC masters are working 4 month trips with equal time and making more than 190. for the lower officers/ratings there isn't much time off, but masters and chengs seem to have a special deal.
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Yeah, but my kid doesn't have to worry about any 'special deal'.. he works under a contract that guarantees his time off.. and he's more than satisfied with the money he makes. I worked out of the MM&P for 34 years, and I'll tell you this; you couldn't pay me enough to go to work at MSC in any capacity.
 
deepdraft1 said:
Yeah, but my kid doesn't have to worry about any 'special deal'.. he works under a contract that guarantees his time off.. and he's more than satisfied with the money he makes. I worked out of the MM&P for 34 years, and I'll tell you this; you couldn't pay me enough to go to work at MSC in any capacity.
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Why? Curious.
 
dakiti~ said:
Yes, but then what are the advantages of KP grads comparing State Maritime Academy Grads, as the state maritime is much easier to get in? Seek for any adviceC
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The primary advantage is COST (to the students not the taxpayer) to attend. All the maritime academies have a track record of high placement and high pay. Other advantages, may, be the individual degree programs. Some have ABET accredited engineering programs-some do not.
 
justdoit19 said:
Why? Curious.
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@justdoit19 This is a bit of a drift off the thread topic, but since you asked.. Lack of time off would be the primary reason. That and I didn't want to work for the government.. There are other issues with working at MSC too.. read through some of the below linked Gcaptain forum threads and it'll give you a pretty good idea what those issues are..

forum.gcaptain.com

Military Sealift Command

A forum for the maritime and offshore industries.
forum.gcaptain.com forum.gcaptain.com
 
deepdraft1 said:
you couldn't pay me enough to go to work at MSC in any capacity.
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I would only consider MSC for a couple years right out of school. At that point the extended sea time is to your advantage for upgrading. You literally could get to CM/CE in 3 years. Once I got that license and took the last test for the CG I needed I would beat feet VERY VERY quickly, the sea time to pay ratio is not worth it and is closer to Foreign flagged than US flagged
 
KPEngineer said:
I would only consider MSC for a couple years right out of school. At that point the extended sea time is to your advantage for upgrading. You literally could get to CM/CE in 3 years. Once I got that license and took the last test for the CG I needed I would beat feet VERY VERY quickly, the sea time to pay ratio is not worth it and is closer to Foreign flagged than US flagged
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nowhere close to foreign flagged at MSC, unless you're talking about european crews or a well paid nationality. blatantly false info. last year I made a little over 135 for 8 months of sea time, comes out to ~17 a month on board.
 
Mr2020 said:
nowhere close to foreign flagged at MSC, unless you're talking about european crews or a well paid nationality. blatantly false info. last year I made a little over 135 for 8 months of sea time, comes out to ~17 a month on board.
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Mr2020 said:
I know what it's like to hate every day of work. I push through it because the pay is okay (6 figures in your first year is a possibility for sure, particularly if you're engine but also for deckies), but not fantastic and it's an easy job (now)
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Ahh, so you're an MSC bubba.. Well that explains why you're so unhappy all the time.. Just a guess, but I'll bet you did all your cadet sea time on MSC ships too..
 
RandoGrad said:
Few years after graduation I was making ~$22k a month doing one of the coolest jobs in the world, as a 25 year old. And getting to experience things money can't buy.
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While in the 80s, the pay was not as high. . . . but as a 24 year old, I was sailing CE on ocean tugs, and later on ATBs. While it might be conjecture, I feel that I could not have done that without the KP experience.
 
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