Vice Presidential Nomination

tjennings

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Hi all,
I am currently applying to the Naval Academy, but live abroad and do not have a home of record in the United States. As you might know, this means my only possible source of nomination is through the vice-president.
I was wondering, since anyone is eligible to receive this nomination, and it receives so many applications, who is in charge of choosing who is nominated? I know that the academies already "sort" applications before forwarding them to the vice-president, but who is in charge of the process? The cabinet of the vice-president?
I would appreciate any information you guys might have regarding vice-presidential nominations.
Thanks,
-T
 

THParent

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I am going to assume that you are a U.S. citizen, and that you are not applying to USNA under the international program for citizens of foreign countries.

Do you have a parent with whom you live or are a dependent of, who is a U.S. citizen? If so, is your parent registered to vote in some location in the U.S.?

The elected officials from that state, 2 Senators and the Representative for that District, would be your nomination sources. Their websites would have service academy nomination info pages.

Living outside the U.S. can present challenges, but interviews can be conducted via Skype, medical examinations can be figured out, etc. You would not be the first to apply from outside the country.
 

Capt MJ

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Hi all,
I am currently applying to the Naval Academy, but live abroad and do not have a home of record in the United States. As you might know, this means my only possible source of nomination is through the vice-president.
I was wondering, since anyone is eligible to receive this nomination, and it receives so many applications, who is in charge of choosing who is nominated? I know that the academies already "sort" applications before forwarding them to the vice-president, but who is in charge of the process? The cabinet of the vice-president?
I would appreciate any information you guys might have regarding vice-presidential nominations.
Thanks,
-T
The SAs do the work of evaluating the VP noms and selecting the recipients. I don’t believe there is active involvement from the VP staff except to approve/rubber-stamp the final list.

 

tjennings

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I am going to assume that you are a U.S. citizen, and that you are not applying to USNA under the international program for citizens of foreign countries.

Do you have a parent with whom you live or are a dependent of, who is a U.S. citizen? If so, is your parent registered to vote in some location in the U.S.?

The elected officials from that state, 2 Senators and the Representative for that District, would be your nomination sources. Their websites would have service academy nomination info pages.

Living outside the U.S. can present challenges, but interviews can be conducted via Skype, medical examinations can be figured out, etc. You would not be the first to apply from outside the country.
Hi,
My father is a US citizen, as am I. He, and my brother, are registered to vote in the state of Missouri. I have asked this question to various people and they seem to think that I need to have a house in the state, and that simply being registered to vote there isn't enough. It would be great news if I could apply to my senators/representatives. Do you know, for sure, that this is the case?
Thanks,
Thomas
 

tjennings

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The SAs do the work of evaluating the VP noms and selecting the recipients. I don’t believe there is active involvement from the VP staff except to approve/rubber-stamp the final list.

Yeah, it seems that that's the case. I have consulted that website, a few times, and actually already applied.
Thanks,
-T
 

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He, and my brother, are registered to vote in the state of Missouri. I have asked this question to various people and they seem to think that I need to have a house in the state, and that simply being registered to vote there isn't enough. It would be great news if I could apply to my senators/representatives.
I would encourage you to reach out to the Missouri MOC's , and explain your situation, and ask them if they would consider you for a Nomination. When you contact them, set forth your best case -- i.e. is the overseas a temporary situation, where were you born, where do you/parent's pay taxes, do you have family in Missouri, do you return to visit family, etc. There are many factors that can be used to establish domicile, and there is no hard and fast rule that you have a physical presence at any given time.

There are many advantages to getting noms from a MOC -- the VP Nominee is competing with an almost unlimited pool of applicants, and has to be the top. As others have noted, the selection is done at the Academy level -- so they are going to take the absolute best candidate that doesn't otherwise have a MOC nomination. (Perhaps its more accurate to say -- they will pick the candidate they "want most," rather than objective "best"). In contrast, at the State level, there are far fewer candidates in your pool, so the competition is less.

As an aside, as a caution to those that may read the comments about establishing domicile and think its a way to avoid the competition in your highly competitive state (the issue comes up here every year)-- I suspect the MOC and USNA Admissions would take a dim view of the applicant that claims domicile in Montana although their entire record is based in Northern Virginia.
 

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How many VP nominations are available a year? I thought I read somewhere only 5? But on a webcast from one of the academies recently, it was suggested that the VP nominations were a mechanism for getting alot of good applicants who did not get their congressional nominations into the academy. Anyone with any insight into this?

Thank you.
 

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How many VP nominations are available a year? I thought I read somewhere only 5? But on a webcast from one of the academies recently, it was suggested that the VP nominations were a mechanism for getting alot of good applicants who did not get their congressional nominations into the academy. Anyone with any insight into this?

Thank you.
There can only be 5 appointees from the VP nom source for each SA that has that capability. That means 1-2 vacancies a year, which doesn’t equal “alot” (sic).

I am sure the intention was to encourage all applicants to apply for all noms for which eligible, including VP. Those do tend to get used for those desired candidates unable to secure a nom from any source.

The heavy reading:
Congressional Nominations to U.S. Service Academies: An Overview and Resources for Outreach and Management
 

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It depends on the representative/senator. When you apply for nominations, make sure they know your father and brother are registered to vote in Missouri. Anything you can do to establish residency in that state would be helpful, such as getting a driver's license. Perhaps if you have relatives in Missouri it would be an option for you to visit them and get a license.
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