VMI superintendent resigns after Black cadets describe relentless racism

Vile threats posted by anonymous people on social media...I'm shocked. Who knows the ethnicity of anonymous posters.
New masthead for the wapo:
"Democracy dies from within when the press abrogates their responsibilities replacing them with their agenda.":mad:
I'm confused about what you are implying here. Are you suggesting the numerous racist postings on Jodel might have been written by non-white people trying to make VMI look bad?
 
Completely unfair to VMI, but perhaps this great Institute will be better in the long run. This place has a storied history of great accomplishments... .
Good luck VMI, Semper Fi!
Is this completely unfair?
You also remarked in a previous thread "VMI is above reproach on the issue of racism."
It seems awfully bold to say any institution is completely above the pervasive effects of systemic racism. It seems to fly in the face of reason to say that an institution with such deep historical ties to the confederacy should be immune from all questions about what effect systemic racism has on students of color today.

In regards to the Washington Post Article, many on this forum seem to believe this is a "hit job" by the "radical left" but is anyone able to credibly refute the negative effects of the described racism on students of color?
The best I've heard is "my son's black friend doesn't mind" or "the black guys I knew 20 years ago never expressed this to me."

Maybe Cadets of color don't express these things to white cadets because they'll be written off as radical left, anti-military, and pushing an anti-american agenda. Or, maybe they'll be stereotyped as athletic brutes (permits) who don't care enough to be good cadets.

As an outsider looking in, I see a very insular community resistant to the idea of change, and willing to label anyone who dares object to the status quo a disgraceful traitor.
 
I’m sure you’d disagree, but many think what is occurring across America is wrong. The loudest group with the biggest megaphone wins right now. And because some Americans disagree with the left, that does not make them wrong. The radical left ideas In this country are rubbish. You don’t like something about a school... go somewhere else. Defunding the police? Removing statues? Cancel culture? It’s ridiculous. Next time you see a police officer or military member, tell them thanks for their service and for keeping you and your family safe.
 
For whatever it’s worth, throwing my few cents in since I lived in barracks recently. The reality is, the picture being painted by the articles is not an accurate characterization of the Corps. Could Smith Hall (Supe’s office is in there) change this or that and get better results? Maybe, I don’t know, Cadets aren’t in Smith Hall and Smith Hall doesn’t define day to day life in the Corps. These articles are cherry-picking the worst things they can find, in terms of incidents going back years, as well as jodel content (Im on the app and many of the quotes were downvoted and removed by cadets with the posters being “colorfully” insulted, yet they were used to represent the average Cadet). Incidents as described in the article are just not common place. I wish they never happened of course, but that’s not realistic. Now we’re not perfect: Are there some kids who come in having learned the lost cause narrative that fit the stereotype? Yupp, they’re there, and are likely the ones responsible for the incidents reported. Are they a majority? Definitely not. Almost half the Corps isn’t even from Virginia anymore....we’ve got more diversity of opinions than in VMI’s past. The issue of athletes vs non-athletes is a real thing and has also made things look much worse, but that’s a whole different discussion and is certainly something that can/should be remedied. A new Supe will have more success than GEN Peay on that front, I expect. I’ll close with this, despite what the media’s motives may be, most of the black cadets who’ve spoken out about stonewall and otherwise have been motivated by the fact that they love VMI, but want it to be better. If it was as horrible as it sounds right now, how could anyone love VMI in the first place? I’m open to posts/DMs from people considering VMI....it was the best decision of my life...
 
@theotherone Yes. Based on my experience this possibility shouldn't be discounted. Since you asked, did the thought occur to you?
 
@theotherone Yes. Based on my experience this possibility shouldn't be discounted. Since you asked, did the thought occur to you?
This seems wildly off the mark, and the reason people of goodwill without any direct investment in the specific issues look at these confederate kerfuffles and shake their heads.

If the school's idea of compromise is to replace the confederate battle flag with a flag celebrating a specific confederate battle; they have misunderstood the problem statement.

A student expressed concern that the handling of these issues tarnishes the reputation and marketability of graduates. They are right to be concerned if they are applying outside the SMC/confederate bubble. And they would do well to balance their resume to preempt busy people making quick judgments to their disfavor.
 
This seems wildly off the mark, and the reason people of goodwill without any direct investment in the specific issues look at these confederate kerfuffles and shake their heads.

If the school's idea of compromise is to replace the confederate battle flag with a flag celebrating a specific confederate battle; they have misunderstood the problem statement.

A student expressed concern that the handling of these issues tarnishes the reputation and marketability of graduates. They are right to be concerned if they are applying outside the SMC/confederate bubble. And they would do well to balance their resume to preempt busy people making quick judgments to their disfavor.
Not sure exactly what Wishful was responding to, but with respect to the predominantly white VMI flag you’re likely referring to. That flag predates the Battle of New Market. While it was carried at that battle, it’s been with VMI since 1850, before the war and the Confederacy.
 
Not sure exactly what Wishful was responding to, but with respect to the predominantly white VMI flag you’re likely referring to. That flag predates the Battle of New Market. While it was carried at that battle, it’s been with VMI since 1850, before the war and the Confederacy.
Not clear to me either, the statement was that the confederate flag banned and they replaced whatever was before with the "New Market" flag. I looked it up here: http://digitalcollections.vmi.edu/digital/collection/p15821coll7/id/3619 (looks pretty tame)

But still, the point is generally: honor the behavior that is noble, recognize the ignoble. Fighting battles to preserve the right to own people is not noble. Full stop.
 
Not clear to me either, the statement was that the confederate flag banned and they replaced whatever was before with the "New Market" flag. I looked it up here: http://digitalcollections.vmi.edu/digital/collection/p15821coll7/id/3619 (looks pretty tame)

But still, the point is generally: honor the behavior that is noble, recognize the ignoble. Fighting battles to preserve the right to own people is not noble. Full stop.
I don’t disagree with you, but history and people are seldom that black and white. I agree that it was time for stonewall to go actually, but you are completely straw manning the opposing argument.
 
@theotherone Yes. Based on my experience this possibility shouldn't be discounted. Since you asked, did the thought occur to you?
The thought did not cross my mind until you suggested it.
Speculating that students of color might be trying to make themselves look like victims is a very serious claim, one seems very irresponsible. I cannot speak to your experience, but based on my own, I would say the odds of the jodle postings coming from white students as opposed to black one is 99 to 1. In light of this, the only reason to suggest the postings are a hoax is to muddy the waters and distract from the issue at hand.
 
Another reason may be to raise the possibility that it is wise to question basically everything put out in media today, esp. when that source is known to have an agenda. For example, you probably remember when this incident linked below occurred. Who considered the possibility that the perpetrator African American?? Probably no one outside LE would. It happens in some jurisdictions more than in others. And when political forces impact on the investigation...well that's a story for another post.

 
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