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On the Westpoint thread, it states that around 864 appointments come from MOC and Service-Connected nominations.
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2) The use of 'NWL' in the US Code (Title 10)
Once the slot winners from MOC and Service Connected noms are determined, the class is not full. MOC and Service Connected slots add up to about 841 slots.
The US Code allows for 2 additional ways to fill the class.
a) By law, WP must appoint 150 from the NWL. These are called 'Qualified Alternates.' These 150 are those that are 3Q'd with MOC noms who didn't win their MOCs' slates.
Since the NWL is one big competitive slate, everyone is listed top to bottom by WCS ( this is why you continue to update your file until the file completion deadline at the end of FEB).
Therefore, the top 150 by WCS, non MOC slot winners, get the NWL slots.
b) WP can then throw out the WCS and appoint candidates who help them round out the class. This must be done at a ratio of 3:1 MOC noms to Service Connected noms. These are called 'Additional Appointees'
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Does this apply to USNA and USAFA?
 
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I do not think the 150 is accurate.

My DS was put on the waitlist last year and did not get an appointment. I think most years the number pulled off the waitlist is closer to 15-20. They estimate the % of appointments that will be accepted and are pretty close each year. If they are off by a lot and more people turn down appointments than they anticipate they will pull more from the waitlist.

For what I remember from a thread last year, there may be 100 or so offered waitlist slots.
 
In past years (USNA), sometimes as many as 2 or 3 candidates.
Some years, zero.
 
There is a difference between the "National Wait List" and the "waitlist." Seriously. The National Wait List is the term for fully qualified candidates with MOC noms who do not win their slates. This is where the 150 number used by the OP comes from. These candidates can still compete for an appointment nationally, based on merit. USNA doesn't seem to use the term "National Wait List" -- "national pool" seems more common, though I'm not arguing that NWL isn't the correct term.

Then there is the "waitlist" for those who are not offered appointments, but instead are put on a waitlist for an appointment at the time the last appointments are sent out. These folks could have come from the NWL or could be those with Pres/NROTC, etc. noms who weren't selected for an appointment. These candidates will receive an appointment only if USNA's yield is less than expected. IOW, USNA puts out a certain number of appointments, estimating that a certain percentage will accept (that number has historically been close to 90%). If fewer than expected accept, USNA will go to the waitlist to fill the class. If the yield is at the level expected or higher, then no one will come off the WL. Usually, the number of those on the WL is 50+ but the number coming of the WL is typically very small (<10) and sometimes it is zero. But it's all yield dependent.
 
usna1985 said:
There is a difference between the "National Wait List" and the "waitlist." Seriously. The National Wait List is the term for fully qualified candidates with MOC noms who do not win their slates. This is where the 150 number used by the OP comes from. These candidates can still compete for an appointment nationally, based on merit. USNA doesn't seem to use the term "National Wait List" -- "national pool" seems more common, though I'm not arguing that NWL isn't the correct term.

Then there is the "waitlist" for those who are not offered appointments, but instead are put on a waitlist for an appointment at the time the last appointments are sent out. These folks could have come from the NWL or could be those with Pres/NROTC, etc. noms who weren't selected for an appointment. These candidates will receive an appointment only if USNA's yield is less than expected. IOW, USNA puts out a certain number of appointments, estimating that a certain percentage will accept (that number has historically been close to 90%). If fewer than expected accept, USNA will go to the waitlist to fill the class. If the yield is at the level expected or higher, then no one will come off the WL. Usually, the number of those on the WL is 50+ but the number coming of the WL is typically very small (<10) and sometimes it is zero. But it's all yield dependent.
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Agree with usna1985. My 2/C was a NWL candidate who was eventually wait-listed by USNA. That year, very few candidates were moved off of the wait-list, so he had to re-apply after a year of NROTC. The second attempt he received his appointment. Don't give up the ship!
 
Worriedparent2 said:
On the Westpoint thread, it states .........
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> Just a word of caution to all the "Worried Parents" out there...take what you read on all of these Forums with a grain of salt...some of the information is fact (i.e. backed up by links to the actual regulation or recitation of authority); there is information derived from experience (ranging from BGO's and Senior Officers with a lot of experience to Parents/Candidates that base their observation on a single data point (their own), and alot of pure speculation .

When I read OP's post, two things come to mind:

1) The reference to a post in the WP Forum -- don't assume anything you read there is correct - so the question of whether this applies to USNA doubles down without knowing whether its true.

2) The recitation of what Title 10 says appear to create an air of authority , but keep in mind that is one person's interpretation of what Title 10 says. (Full disclosure, I've never read or seen the actual statute, but I've read enough federal statutes to know that nothing is ever written with that degree of clarity !) If you really want to know the answer to this question, I would suggest finding the applicable law online and reading it ...I don't know, but you might find that the same Statute applies to USMA, USNA , and/or USAFA. (As an aside, if you do decide to locate and find the statute, make sure you read the WHOLE THING, if you jump on the answer in the first few paragraphs of a law, it is often modified by the gobbedly gook at the end ....in the immortal words of one of my law professors (long ago)....KEEP READING !)

I'm not making this post to be negative, but I've been around this Forum long enough to know that we are heading into the time (Feb-April) when Parents and Candidates are getting anxious, and spend alot of time trying to understand minute details of the Admissions process in order to guess their "chances." Much of this analysis is really irrelevant, and the discussions (and misinformation) only creates more angst. My advice to Parents and Candidates is to focus on what you can control...Admissions is a process, and you will go crazy trying to understand every little detail.
 
So after reading through the actual US code title 10 subtitle B, I have realized that it states that "In addition, there MAY be appointed to the academy each year as follows:
(1)one hundred selected by the President from the children of members of an armed force who—
(A)
are on active duty (other than for training) and who have served continuously on active duty for at least eight years;
(B)
are, or who died while they were, retired with pay or granted retired or retainer pay;
(C)
are serving as members of reserve components and are credited with at least eight years of service computed under section 12733 of this title; or
(D)
would be, or who died while they would have been, entitled to retired pay under chapter 1223 of this title except for not having attained 60 years of age;
however, a person who is eligible for selection under paragraph (1) of subsection (a) may not be selected under this paragraph.
(2)
85 nominated by the Secretary of the Army from enlisted members of the Regular Army.
(3)
85 nominated by the Secretary of the Army from enlisted members of reserve components of the Army.
(4)
20 nominated by the Secretary of the Army, under regulations prescribed by him, from the honor graduates of schools designated as honor schools by the Department of the Army, the Department of the Navy, or the Department of the Air Force, and from members of the Reserve Officers’ Training Corps.
(5)
150 selected by the Secretary of the Army in order of merit (prescribed pursuant to section 4343 of this title) from qualified alternates nominated by persons named in paragraphs (3) and (4) of subsection (a).
(c)
The President may also appoint as cadets at the Academy children of persons who have been awarded the Medal of Honor for acts performed while in the armed forces.
"
So I guess they don't HAVE to appoint them, but I think every year they usually use the presidential and other sources to fill out the class.
 
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