Wait Listed

DS and DD are Darling Son or Dear Son and the other is daughter. BFE is Big Fat Envelope (that appointments come in), the TWE is the Thin White Envelope with the rejection letter or waitlist info.
 
Kev Dawg's Pop said:
I love this forum, but scratching my head on the lingo. Can someone tell me what a DS is (I think its the candidate) What is a AOG sponsored SAP? How about TWE Does this mean "The White Envelope"? If so, the white envelope can be good or bad right? My kid recieved notice that he was on NWL in January..He is DODMERB qualified... What happens now.. No letter this weekend. He also waiting for Round 3 of AROTC.. Im too old for all of this stress!!!
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AOG = Assoc. of Graduates
SAP = Service Academy Prep

AOG sponsored SAP means the candidate was selected by the West Point AOG for a scholarship program to attend a military junior college for a year with the intention to reapply to West Point the following year. These candidates are usually accepted to the academy the next year if they do well at the junior college, get another nomination, and keep up their physical fitness.

This list might be helpful for you too: The Acronym List

I remember the stress of waiting. Hang in there!
 
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thank you

thanks.. this helps a lot. BFE!! good stuff there. Kev was told his grades too good for SAP!! Next time I will produce a "C" student!! Meet me at the mailbox...
 
SAP confusion

There's no such thing as "grades too good" for SAP. I believe that remark was in reference to USMAPS, West Point's in house prep school. Fully qualified candidates are not able to attend USMAPS however they are certainly able to attend SAP. In fact, only fully qualified but not admitted candidates are offerred AOG scholarships. USMAPS and SAP are different, but you end up in the same place (West Point) if you perform well.
 
The only exception would be if you are a recruited athlete. It is my understanding that if your grades are too good, you cannot be sent to USMAPS and you would be considered a straight in to USMA. It helps many athletes to get the extra year without losing a year of NCAA eligibility.
 
Well I officially got my Rejection letter from West Point. Oh well, I guess I've got another year of March Madness to shred my nerves. I don't know what's more exciting, VCU in the Final Four, or checking my mailbox after school.
 
SAP concusion

Still learning the ropes here. You are correct. I was refering to USMAPS. Still confused as to what a SAP is. Either way, I wish the best to everyone in this forum. We are all on the same journey..
 
Feeling Otterpop's pain

Otterpop. I have been following you on this forum for a short time, and its funny how folks can connect when they have the same goal. I feel your pain and wish you the best. Don't give up on your ultimate goal of being a
Army Officer.
 
Kev Dawg's Pop said:
Still learning the ropes here. You are correct. I was refering to USMAPS. Still confused as to what a SAP is. Either way, I wish the best to everyone in this forum. We are all on the same journey..
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Reader's Digest version of SAP or West Point Prep Scholarship Program:

A scholarship program (for USMA, USNA and USAFA only) sponsored by AOG (Association of Graduates) to provide partial tuition for one year at approved JMCs (Junior Military College).

Basically, those that are offered these scholarships are fully qualified but not selected. These candidates must have demonstrated strong leadership potential.

The 5 approved JMCs are: Marion Military Institute, Georgia Military College, Valley Forge Military Academy and College, New Mexico Military Institute, and Greystone Preparatory School.

- Candidates will take a curriculum approved by West Point.
- Candidate may have to re-take ACT/SAT depending on prior test scores.
- Candidate will have to re-apply to WP again (including nominations).
- AOG scholarship provides part of tuition, the JMC kicks in some more scholarship money and the candidate is responsible for the rest.
- WP picks the candidates to offer these scholarships to. They may get input/recommendations from the State and/or District FFR Coordinators.

Why is this a good thing to do?
If candidate proves to WP that they can perform well academically in these college level classes, then they will be admitted in the next class, regardless of where they are on their MOC's slate.
IOW - it's theirs to lose.
 
Bad news at the mailbox

The LWE arrived.. Here is what I don't get. My kid on NWL, and is next in line in his congressional district. MOC had two vacancies this year. One went to an athlete and one offer was given to young man who has not accepted yet. Has until May 1st. How can letter of rejection come before his decision much less running the course on the NWL. Does this mean the class filled and there is no NWL offers going out this year? Confused pop..
 
That is what I believe. My ALO told me I had a good chance to get an appointment, while I was on the NWL. It really caught me off guard when I got an official rejection on Saturday. I mean, it's still MARCH!
 
Unfortunately that's what it sounds like. A email blast went out today to all the Liaison Officers in our region from the Regional Commander and one excerpt said:

--For candidates that "decline" this year I am not expecting to be able to offer someone else. I will let you mull over the significance of that for future cycles - it is not clear whether that will be the case next year or not. We will bring in a small class again next year. All candidates have until 1 May to accept or decline. At midnight on 1 May their offer becomes a decline if we have not heard.
 
Kev Dawg's Pop, my son is in the same boat. He's next up if the appointed candidate declines his/her offer ... yet he too received his TWE on Saturday. My understanding was that WP "must" make at least one appointment from each MOC's slate. Not sure what to make of all this. In any event, hats off to all of you who have received appointments. Best of luck!
 
That's what I've always thought as well, but it sounds like this year, due to the smaller class size, they're taking that literally. They are "making one appointment" from each MOC slate, but not necessarily making a second if the first one is declined. At least that's how I interpret the info from the RC above.

We also got a list yesterday for our region of all candidates who are:

A. Receiving QNS (Qualified Non Selected) letters, which is what it sounds like your sons received.

B. On the USMAPS (Prep School) list - not guaranteed a slot, but being considered

C. On the Civil Prep list - same as B

D. On "Hold Slates". Per the RC, these are candidates who are still being considered. The description said "These are vacancy winners who have not yet been offered admission. The Admissions Committee is going very slowly and deliberately through the list of vacancy winners. The first people who will be offered are those that are from a district that has no one else getting an offer. If someone else in that district has already been offered admission (whether as a qualified alternate or as the winner of another vacancy) then that person is lower on the priority list."

From my three districts I cover, I have 1 QNS candidate, 1 Prep candidate, no Civil Preps and no candidates on Hold Slates. However in those same districts, there have already been 8 appointments offered. Interpret those stats how you want.
 
ulysses said:
Kev Dawg's Pop, my son is in the same boat. He's next up if the appointed candidate declines his/her offer ... yet he too received his TWE on Saturday. My understanding was that WP "must" make at least one appointment from each MOC's slate. Not sure what to make of all this. In any event, hats off to all of you who have received appointments. Best of luck!
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I would call your Congressman's office today and let know what is going on. They can make a call to admissions on your behalf.
 
Well it came today....Another TWE from West Point. Last week he got the "you are fully qualified and on the national wait list..." and today another TWE saying No Sorry. No QNS language anywhere on the letter. DS knew that it might and would come but boys is he bumbed about it. He was even going to West Point on Monday for a tour and spend the day. He doesn't even want to go Monday.... ANyone else get a letter after being put on the NWL?:frown::frown::frown:
 
otterpop said:
I've just been put on the wait list, and it says that a few hundred more will be appointed from this list. I thought I had a really competitive profile, but I guess it wasn't enough. Is this really a rejection letter in disguise?
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It is always confusing why one candidate gets in and others do not with similar GPA's, Class standing, SAT scores, activities, etc.
I sat on the selection board at West Point for two years and I can give you a little insight why it is so difficult to compare candidates on the internet. There are three important inputs considered by the selection committee whose results are NOT KNOWN by the candidates and their parents. These are:
1. Teachers Evaluations
2. Interview Results
3. Grades for the three papers you submitted (why do you want to go to West Point etc.)
It seems that almost everyone THINKS their interview went well, their teachers gave rave reviews and their papers were top-notch. In fact that is not the case. These evaluations often vary GREATLY between candidates. In many cases these three elements "break ties" between candidates with similar records.
 
BigNick said:
It is always confusing why one candidate gets in and others do not with similar GPA's, Class standing, SAT scores, activities, etc.
I sat on the selection board at West Point for two years and I can give you a little insight why it is so difficult to compare candidates on the internet. There are three important inputs considered by the selection committee whose results are NOT KNOWN by the candidates and their parents. These are:
1. Teachers Evaluations
2. Interview Results
3. Grades for the three papers you submitted (why do you want to go to West Point etc.)
It seems that almost everyone THINKS their interview went well, their teachers gave rave reviews and their papers were top-notch. In fact that is not the case. These evaluations often vary GREATLY between candidates. In many cases these three elements "break ties" between candidates with similar records.
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What about candidates who are in areas in which interviews are not given?
 
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