Wait listed

I will state there are (34) LOA Appointments on the List.

A back of the envelope calculation shows LOAs make up 30.6% of the 2020 Appointment List. Wow ?!

Under a theory that the USNA Forum 2020 Appointment list represents about approx. 12-14% of the available 2020 Appointments of ~900 (calculated as 1,200 - 300 [NAPS + Foundation] = ~900 Appointments). Then calculating that the 34 LOAs of the List, would represent about 34/900 or 3.77 % of the overall Appointments for 2020. If 150/900 are LOAs that means USNA gives LOAs to approx. 16.6% of the ~900 Class who are Appointed.

Thus, the USNA Forum 2020 Appointment list captures 23% of the overall apportionment of the total LOAs issued.

The biggest news here? I truly suck at math and I am not quite sure I have figured out anything that is helpful.
 
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NavyHoops said:
I understand this is an extremely tough time of year. April 1st hit and many decisions not only for USNA, but others have rolled out. Lots of opinions, feelings and remarks. Let's ensure we keep it civil.
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VA-06 still CPR. Would rather have seen DS "wait-listed," of course, but we're trying to stay positive and not see this as the kiss of death.
 
hurry-up-and-wait said:
I feel your pain. We are in CA, 4.23 gpa, never a B in his life, top 6% of class, 4 years of football, great SAT and ACT, AP calc AB and BC, physics, chem, lots of EC's, youth football coach, intern at engineering firm bla bla bla. The kids that got in must be super kids!
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They are and your kids is also! The Academy only has so many opening and few get in. This does not mean that your child is not a Great person. It only mean that this time they were not chosen. I would recommend if they trill wish to serve as an Officer apply again next year.
Good luck!
 
hopefulforT said:
Or, because I personally know of a lot of these cases, so I am not repeating rumors; the kids that got in have connections that we do not. And, frankly, being male is not an asset.
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I hope your comment was due to your disappointment and not truly how you feel.

My daughter was selected to 3 Academies and we have ZERO connections. I have had the pleasure of meeting many of her classmates and they also do not have connections.

Your gender comments is way off base! Last year during Plebe Summer not one Female left. Ironically 13 Males did!
If your son truly wishes to be a Navy or Marine Officer commissioned from USNA, I would suggest he reapply next year.
 
ThePatternisFull said:
They are and your kids is also! The Academy only has so many opening and few get in. This does not mean that your child is not a Great person. It only mean that this time they were not chosen. I would recommend if they trill wish to serve as an Officer apply again next year.
Good luck!
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Thanks for the positive words. I am extreamly proud of my son. It was a very competitive year and we came up wait-listed. Not bad! You never know, he just might hit the lottery in the next few weeks and be in the Class of 2020! If not, that's ok too. He has a geat Plan B that will also lead to being a Naval Officer in 4 years. It's just not the route that he hoped for. These kids are way more resiliant that us parents are!
 
ThePatternisFull said:
I hope your comment was due to your disappointment and not truly how you feel.

My daughter was selected to 3 Academies and we have ZERO connections. I have had the pleasure of meeting many of her classmates and they also do not have connections.

Your gender comments is way off base! Last year during Plebe Summer not one Female left. Ironically 13 Males did!
If your son truly wishes to be a Navy or Marine Officer commissioned from USNA, I would suggest he reapply next year.
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Is one to infer from your post that females are stronger and can endure plebe summer better than the boys?

Ridiculous. Beyond ridiculous. If you've been to I Day, you probably saw boys carrying two duffle bags because a girl couldn't. No judgement, but that's a fact.

Also, the CFA and PFT standards are different for boys and girls. Example: girls can flex arm hang. Boys can't.
If your numbers are correct, which I doubt, one cannot surmise that the girls were tougher or stronger, but simply that they stuck it out.
 
I can verify that the numbers were what they told us at the presentation to parents at PPW. They said that only 13 had left during the summer and that none of those who left were female. They also said that the Class of 2019 had the highest average SAT/ACT ever and had the highest number of class validations. I'm proud of the men and women in the Class of 2019.

I wish the best for all of the candidates of 2020 and their parents...it's a trying experience...whether waiting for teachers to submit recs., waiting on word of the nominations, waiting on medical waivers, waiting on word of whether you made the wait list, waiting to hear if you're appointed from the wait list. May God bless you all during the wait.
 
Maplerock said:
Is one to infer from your post that females are stronger and can endure plebe summer better than the boys?

Ridiculous. Beyond ridiculous. If you've been to I Day, you probably saw boys carrying two duffle bags because a girl couldn't. No judgement, but that's a fact.

Also, the CFA and PFT standards are different for boys and girls. Example: girls can flex arm hang. Boys can't.
If your numbers are correct, which I doubt, one cannot surmise that the girls were tougher or stronger, but simply that they stuck it out.
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I don't have a dog in this fight, other than I am female. We all likely agree that most men are physically stronger than most women. It's the human anatomy. Physical ability standards across all settings (not just the military) reflect this. I will be the first to say a comparably fit man can run a 10k faster than I, even when in my top form. I wouldn't even take that bet. That doesn't detract from my running ability in any way.

Now, when you say that "one can not surmise that girls are tougher or stronger [because they stuck it out]," we part ways. If my son (heaven forbid) drops out after plebe summer and his female counterpart "stuck it out," then guess what? She WAS "tougher and stronger" regardless of how many duffel bags she didn't carry or her flexed arm hang.
 
Letsdothis said:
I don't have a dog in this fight, other than I am female. We all likely agree that most men are physically stronger than most women. It's the human anatomy. Physical ability standards across all settings (not just the military) reflect this. I will be the first to say a comparably fit man can run a 10k faster than I, even when in my top form. I wouldn't even take that bet. That doesn't detract from my running ability in any way.

Now, when you say that "one can not surmise that girls are tougher or stronger [because they stuck it out]," we part ways. If my son (heaven forbid) drops out after plebe summer and his female counterpart "stuck it out," then guess what? She WAS "tougher and stronger" regardless of how many duffel bags she didn't carry or her flexed arm hang.
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You're right, that's where we part ways.
 
The stat is correct, "13 plebes dropped out during PS 2015, and all were male".

But guess what? USNA isn't in the business of just getting plebes through PS. It is all about graduating leaders, officers into the MC or USN. Yes it starts with PS, but continues through plebe year, youngster year, ..., the every important signing of 2/7, ... culmination is graduation and commissioning.

Per my plebe son, for the 2019s there have been "the usual" amount of drops since his PS, proportional to gender. They were men and women who left for all sorts of reasons: mental, physical, academic, "military not for me"... The ones he's known have left for a reason that had nothing to do with their genders. Those days are sad days for all, but it happens.

My PS will be the first to tell you that some of the best and strongest mids he knows are female. My wife and I have been on the Yard 6 times since our PS first became interested in USNA. Every single time we leave Annapolis we end up having a discussion about the amazing mids we have met. Without exception the mids we've interacted with have been stars before USNA and continue to flourish while there. Never did gender matter. What's been most striking to us is that the mids are all so personable and likable. I believe that is a variable that comes across in letters of recommendation and interviews. That may be more important than 36/36 on the ACT.

JMO
 
14mccpa said:
The stat is correct, "13 plebes dropped out during PS 2015, and all were male".

But guess what? USNA isn't in the business of just getting plebes through PS. It is all about graduating leaders, officers into the MC or USN. Yes it starts with PS, but continues through plebe year, youngster year, ..., the every important signing of 2/7, ... culmination is graduation and commissioning.

Per my plebe son, for the 2019s there have been "the usual" amount of drops since his PS, proportional to gender. They were men and women who left for all sorts of reasons: mental, physical, academic, "military not for me"... The ones he's known have left for a reason that had nothing to do with their genders. Those days are sad days for all, but it happens.

My PS will be the first to tell you that some of the best and strongest mids he knows are female. My wife and I have been on the Yard 6 times since our PS first became interested in USNA. Every single time we leave Annapolis we end up having a discussion about the amazing mids we have met. Without exception the mids we've interacted with have been stars before USNA and continue to flourish while there. Never did gender matter. What's been most striking to us is that the mids are all so personable and likable. I believe that is a variable that comes across in letters of recommendation and interviews. That may be more important than 36/36 on the ACT.

JMO
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I concur. The ones I have met have been more than just smart kids. They are very personable and inspire confidence in the Navy's future. They seem to have a certain something that is hard to define. I'm not sure if they had it before they got there, or USNA develops it in them...or both. But, I liked what I saw.
 
SDMom2019 said:
I concur. The ones I have met have been more than just smart kids. They are very personable and inspire confidence in the Navy's future. They seem to have a certain something that is hard to define. I'm not sure if they had it before they got there, or USNA develops it in them...or both. But, I liked what I saw.
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They are an amazing group of young men and women at USNA couldn't agree with you more .
 
Maplerock said:
Is one to infer from your post that females are stronger and can endure plebe summer better than the boys?

Ridiculous. Beyond ridiculous. If you've been to I Day, you probably saw boys carrying two duffle bags because a girl couldn't. No judgement, but that's a fact.

Also, the CFA and PFT standards are different for boys and girls. Example: girls can flex arm hang. Boys can't.
If your numbers are correct, which I doubt, one cannot surmise that the girls were tougher or stronger, but simply that they stuck it out.
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Maplerock if you are looking for an argument I will not be a part of it. The fact is 13 males left and 0 females. You may draw the conclusion you wish.

Yes, I was at I-Day with my daughter ('19) and saw many great young men and women, Tall, short, large, small, male, female...all with the same goal become a Navy/Marine Officer.

Concerning the CFA/PFT standards is it fair that the Football players are not mandated to run they have the option to ride a bike for the CFA/PFT? IMHO they all should be treated as one same standards for all. but that is only my opinion. BTW my daughter did 8 pull-ups and I know some males in her company did not even come close to her. Not saying she is better just able to excel at something different than others.
 
murfthesurf said:
Anyone still waiting and NOT get a Wait List Notification Email or Portal update to their status, today ?

New acronym (?) = WLNE
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Yes, still seeing "complete pending review" wondering when is the last date for notification? anybody know? there is another student at my DS's high school that has been accepted and has not made her decision yet. wondering if USNA is waiting to see what she does b/f making a decision about DS.
 
OR-MOM said:
Yes, still seeing "complete pending review" wondering when is the last date for notification? anybody know? there is another student at my DS's high school that has been accepted and has not made her decision yet. wondering if USNA is waiting to see what she does b/f making a decision about DS.
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You will get an offer, a wait-list status, or a TWE by April 15. Here's hoping for the appointment offer for everybody still waiting!
 
ThePatternisFull said:
Maplerock if you are looking for an argument I will not be a part of it. The fact is 13 males left and 0 females. You may draw the conclusion you wish.

Yes, I was at I-Day with my daughter ('19) and saw many great young men and women, Tall, short, large, small, male, female...all with the same goal become a Navy/Marine Officer.

Concerning the CFA/PFT standards is it fair that the Football players are not mandated to run they have the option to ride a bike for the CFA/PFT? IMHO they all should be treated as one same standards for all. but that is only my opinion. BTW my daughter did 8 pull-ups and I know some males in her company did not even come close to her. Not saying she is better just able to excel at something different than others.
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Point taken. I agree about what standards should be, and if mer, any job to any sailor.

Nope, I'm definitely not looking for a fight. Your girl sounds like a champ. I've seen some pretty poor specimens of both male and female appointees. I can't do a pull up either!

I'm not going to be P.C. here (or anywhere) just for the sake of not riling up sensitive parents. Plebe summer is hard for all, but I believe much of the experience has been softened for the girls. If indeed 100% of the drops were male (still doubting), I would bet that their experience was more demanding.

Fully realizing that opinions are like potholes.
 
For those on the wait list. A girl my DS went to NASS with was put on the wait list and one week before I day she texted my DS and told him she just got an appointment. They are now in the same company and are in the class of 2017, so " don't give up the ship"
 
hopefulforT said:
I get what you are saying and he has wonderful plan Bs in place; the point isn't that we are wallowing. It is that it is ridiculous, especially with all the obscurity around the nominations and appointments, to think that favor-granting isn't happening. I know of these cases but was hoping my son's unbelievable record would be enough. I tutored a student in chemistry who could barely add and he got in because the family knew the nominating senator. Over the last few years, various groups have tried to penetrate the black hole that is the appointment process and been rebuffed. Those who have gotten information on "Golden ticket" nominations (not the competitive slate) have exposed connections and back-scratching.
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There is no perfect system, maybe 1% gets in from having connection, few gets in for being better athlete than scholar, few gets in for being a minority or female, few gets in from living in less competitive districts, few gets in by being lucky? But overwhelming majority gets in from hard work:) If you think SA admissions seem unfair try top civilian colleges ex. Princeton has 6% acceptance rate, however 38% of legacy children are accepted.
 
Maplerock....I have hardly ever posted on these forums, but have found them very informational through the years. I have to say that I have never seen quite the tone of your messages from anyone else. You are clearly disgruntled with USNA and probably should not be associated with it. Your prejudice is clear, and there is no room for it in the Brigade or anywhere else for that matter!
 
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