Weight concern for R-Day

Roadking

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DS is 5'9" 193 lbs which is overweight for his height. I'm hoping no issues on R-Day. I'm wondering if he should try to get down to 180 by R-Day? He is well built with very little body fat. he works out everyday and also runs 3 miles each morning. He did 12 pull-ups on his CFA and ran a 6:05 mile. He has BIG quads from years of ice hockey and he is really strong. Should he try to slim down or stay strong like he is? He is a 3rd time reapplicant so he is older than most incoming plebes, at 21 he is a man now. His brother was 6'2" 190 when at USMA so he had no issues.
 

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Is he actually overweight or are you looking at the army height/weight screening table and he is coming out “overweight” based on that?

The table is just a screener. If he is over the weight give for his height, he will be tape tested. If he is in shape, which it sounds like from what you describing he is, he should be fine because his calculated body fat percentage will be within accepted range
 

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Is he actually overweight or are you looking at the army height/weight screening table and he is coming out “overweight” based on that?

The table is just a screener. If he is over the weight give for his height, he will be tape tested. If he is in shape, which it sounds like from what you describing he is, he should be fine because his calculated body fat percentage will be within accepted range
Thanks Casey, yes we were looking at the Army chart. I figured he’d be ok but based on the chart there could be an issue. He has no fat just muscle.
 

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I would try hard to reduce 20lb for two reasons : 1) less lower body pressure (knee, ankel) and less likely to be injured; 2) more fit.
 
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He is not fat he is muscular with a 32 inch waistline. The harsh reality check as you put it is that I know he hasn’t lost a fight in his life and I would be VERY surprised if he didn‘t continue to dominate at WP.
As a 30-year Army veteran, it’s better to be under radar from upperclassmen and Active Duty instructors due to weight issues. Lose the extra weight. Period. Another reality is that some upperclassmen and Active Duty instructors have a “Buds” mindset that they want people to quit.
 

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As a 30-year Army veteran, it’s better to be under radar from upperclassmen and Active Duty instructors due to weight issues. Lose the extra weight. Period. Another reality is that some upperclassmen and Active Duty instructors have a “Buds” mindset that they want people to quit.
He's advised he doesn't have fat to lose. You are advising the kid lose 20 lbs of muscle in 8 weeks? This is terrible advice. He will be so weak he will barely be able to get out of bed, much less perform at his peak. The weight table is a screening device, not a requirement. Body fat limits are requirements - that's what the tape test is for if they are outside the weight table.
 

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TexasAggie204

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I personally know officers that didn't get promoted due to "body type". The anecdotal word out there is that the Army is looking to promote "marathon runners". Extra weight is not something I personally would want to start my military career with.
 
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Lose the weight is my advise. Period. The upperclassmen and Active Duty instructors are waiting for him.
You wrote “he’s advised he doesn’t have fat to lose.” Who said this?
 
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I personally know officers that didn't get promoted due to "body type". The anecdotal word out there is that the Army is looking to promote "marathon runners". Extra weight is not something I personally would want to start my military career with.
Concur. My reaction to this thread - - as if my DS is having weight issues. I’m protecting him from upperclassmen and Active Duty staff who deals with weight issues.
 
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He's advised he doesn't have fat to lose. You are advising the kid lose 20 lbs of muscle in 8 weeks? This is terrible advice. He will be so weak he will barely be able to get out of bed, much less perform at his peak. The weight table is a screening device, not a requirement. Body fat limits are requirements - that's what the tape test is for if they are outside the weight table.
You wrote, “He’s advised he doesn’t have have fat to lose.” Tell me who said this.
My advise is to lose the weight. Period. The upperclassmen and Active Duty staff will be looking for him every APFT event. And once on Active Duty, Battalion Ops Officer will be looking for him after APFT.
 

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An different perspective.... I served with no issues whatsoever and at 6'4"/230 was over the screening weight (212-217) my entire term of service. My MAW was 272 or so after the bodyfat test... Some kids are built different and if your DS is running a 6:05 mile and doing 12 pullups, I would not worry. The screening weight for 5'9" is 175. IMO trying to get a low bodyfat athlete down an additional 10% gross body weight a few months before he is due to arrive to WP is potentially problematic. As to the relationship of build to career progression, look to the new fitness test which is a clear move away from "marathon runners" only and directly to soldiers with your son's particular build. A physically fit soldier will always be ok, regardless of build. All just my opinion.... and my information is grossly dated.
 

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You wrote, “He’s advised he doesn’t have have fat to lose.” Tell me who said this.
My advise is to lose the weight. Period. The upperclassmen and Active Duty staff will be looking for him every APFT event. And once on Active Duty, Battalion Ops Officer will be looking for him after APFT.

Thanks Casey, yes we were looking at the Army chart. I figured he’d be ok but based on the chart there could be an issue. He has no fat just muscle.

He is not fat he is muscular with a 32 inch waistline. The harsh reality check as you put it is that I know he hasn’t lost a fight in his life and I would be VERY surprised if he didn‘t continue to dominate at WP.
DS is 5'9" 193 lbs which is overweight for his height. I'm hoping no issues on R-Day. I'm wondering if he should try to get down to 180 by R-Day? He is well built with very little body fat. he works out everyday and also runs 3 miles each morning. He did 12 pull-ups on his CFA and ran a 6:05 mile. He has BIG quads from years of ice hockey and he is really strong. Should he try to slim down or stay strong like he is? He is a 3rd time reapplicant so he is older than most incoming plebes, at 21 he is a man now. His brother was 6'2" 190 when at USMA so he had no issues.

The OP did. Some people are built differently than others. A stacked kid with low body fat well within limits who is simply more muscular than others will have no issues.
 
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The OP did. Some people are built differently than others. A stacked kid with low body fat well within limits who is simply more muscular than others will have no issues.
Last entry. Then Prepare to embrace the suck —> As long as there are weight issues, operations staff will be looking for him for a tape test and weigh-in during his entire military career. Good Luck.🍀
 
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