Alright I have finally jumped in after skimming thru the site every so often. Great site too! So let me post some of my sons stats 3.7 GPA Class rank 62 out of 490 NHS Boy state 10 continuous years in the cub/ Boy Scouts with multiple patrol leader and other positions including ASPL Eagle Scout with palms Order of the arrow brotherhood NG leadership award Lacrosse with JV letters, will be varsity this year BSA counselor at summer camp Currently holding down a part time job at seasonal camp ground running the recreation dept for the kids SAT math/reading 1200 PFT 60 push ups 62 sit ups 6.48 mile he has applied to several schools, VT, Norwich, Valley Forge, Penn State and Stockton. He got offers from all the schools but he really wants to go to Norwich. We have been there, did an overnight and he really likes the school. They did offer a nice merit scholarship that will cover 60 percent of the tuition. But that still leaves a lot on the table. Valley forge was the other consideration and I pushed him in that direction as an option because on the ECP. It's also fairly close by so we were able to check it out several times. They called yesterday to inform him he was awarded a full scholarship. We will have to pay for a few things but 95 percent of the cost is covered. When he interviewed they were very honest in telling him it is a difficult program that many do not complete. That did put the fear of God in him. So he was hesitant as was I to push him in this direction. So we now wait to see if he gets a AROTC scholarship for Norwich. I know the SAT's don't help but he has taken the test 7 times with tutoring and little improvement. He is taking AP classes and does great in school, math is not his forte, he gets it done but he has to work at it. English, history and writing are a breeze for him. The other issue I see is he wants to major in international political science with German as his language. It was originally listed as criminal justice but changed the beginning of this month after we did more research. I know engineering is the top choice but it just not for him. This whole adventure started with West Point, but his SAT scores and major wouldn't cut it. So now the questions, I say my son should accept VF offer, put the deposit in for Norwich and sit tight to see what happens with the ROTC scholarship. he wants to wait and see what happens before doing anything. Norwich is great but a lot of debt will be racked up if he doesn't get an offer. I an not a fan of him going that route. What is the best choice? Plus does anyone have info for VF? And ECP? I know like most things there are the positives and negatives. Does the major change help? Hurt? He wants to make the military a career. He wants to go active duty. Sorry for the long post!