TrueCadet22
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Simple...the ROTC scholarship is a easy path to becoming a leader compared to the others.
whats the average Army Rotc scholarship credentials?
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There's also nothing keeping him from joining ROTC. You do not need the scholarship to join ROTC. There are also scholarship options for college students. He has opportunities to try again. Your friend was not "robbed" of anything. Students who have earned the scholarship, worked their butts of for it.
Also, there is no easy path to becoming an officer. Like others have said, you'll face a lot more competition in the future in school and in your career.
Back to the main point of this thread now. I think we've trailed off for about two pages xD
Also, there is no easy path to becoming an officer. Like others have said, you'll face a lot more competition in the future in school and in your career.
Back to the main point of this thread now. I think we've trailed off for about two pages xD
TrueCadet22
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I'm just gonna leave it alone for the good of others. There obviously no convincing people of my point. No matter what I have said people just offer answers that me and my friend ALREADY know...I was just trying to make a point by my original post.
Your friend could join the National Guard. They pay for your in-state tuition.
He can actually go to boot camp and AIT then after he's done with that he can go to school. Granted he would be eligible to be deployed but it sounds like that would not be a deterrent to your friend. When he was done with his 4 years he could go to OCS to become an officer. Honestly, I believe your best officers begin their careers as enlisted. He could even join up in the same state you're going to school in.(My son joined up in Wyoming and we live in Florida) Maybe he could even attend the same school.
True Cadet
have you ever heard the old old joke about "What do you call the guy who finishes last in his med school class? DOCTOR"
What do call people in the Army who have successfully completed academic,and military requirements and commission? " LT"
Many people, with much more life experiences and even those who are your age sitting in much the same position you are have offered you and friend good advice and perspectives regarding your friend's situation. Instead of taking them to heart and maybe learning something from others- you want to continue to lash out at people.
If you are not happy with the system" imperfect" but functioning and you have a really difficult time understanding or relating to others' advice and point of views; then perhaps instead of championing what might be a lost cause ( at this point) for your friend: Maybe you need to step away, and spend some time reflecting on your own career choice.
You are getting ready to take a major step in your life embarking on one of the most serious journeys of your young life. If you "chafe" so much at the system, how things work and the unfairness of it all then perhaps you need to do a serious reassessment of your life goals. Otherwise, unfortunately you may face a very long and bumpy ride to your goal of becoming an Army officer.
Instead of hijacking and posting continously on this thread regarding your opinions about how "messed up" the scholarship system is; be productive and gather information to help your buddy do what he can given the situation he has to work with. In case you were unaware, this is what successful students and future Army officers would do.
Sorry to speak so bluntly to you, but it seems like you are writing from much emotion ( and some hostility) and very little analytical assessment and desire to change or improve the situation. It is truly in your best interest to curb the hostility and promote/improve your assessment/decision-making skills and work on improving your people skills and ability to get along with others.
Speaking frankly, if you continue to demonstrate the same amount of hostility once you reach your ROTC unit, it could cause you serious problems that could very quickly derail your career dreams.
I believe that everyone who has posted in response to you wishes you and your friend the best of luck and great success with your dreams and intended career paths. Please just consider "toning it down" a bit .
have you ever heard the old old joke about "What do you call the guy who finishes last in his med school class? DOCTOR"
What do call people in the Army who have successfully completed academic,and military requirements and commission? " LT"
Many people, with much more life experiences and even those who are your age sitting in much the same position you are have offered you and friend good advice and perspectives regarding your friend's situation. Instead of taking them to heart and maybe learning something from others- you want to continue to lash out at people.
If you are not happy with the system" imperfect" but functioning and you have a really difficult time understanding or relating to others' advice and point of views; then perhaps instead of championing what might be a lost cause ( at this point) for your friend: Maybe you need to step away, and spend some time reflecting on your own career choice.
You are getting ready to take a major step in your life embarking on one of the most serious journeys of your young life. If you "chafe" so much at the system, how things work and the unfairness of it all then perhaps you need to do a serious reassessment of your life goals. Otherwise, unfortunately you may face a very long and bumpy ride to your goal of becoming an Army officer.
Instead of hijacking and posting continously on this thread regarding your opinions about how "messed up" the scholarship system is; be productive and gather information to help your buddy do what he can given the situation he has to work with. In case you were unaware, this is what successful students and future Army officers would do.
Sorry to speak so bluntly to you, but it seems like you are writing from much emotion ( and some hostility) and very little analytical assessment and desire to change or improve the situation. It is truly in your best interest to curb the hostility and promote/improve your assessment/decision-making skills and work on improving your people skills and ability to get along with others.
Speaking frankly, if you continue to demonstrate the same amount of hostility once you reach your ROTC unit, it could cause you serious problems that could very quickly derail your career dreams.
I believe that everyone who has posted in response to you wishes you and your friend the best of luck and great success with your dreams and intended career paths. Please just consider "toning it down" a bit .
Trying to steer this discussion back ON TOPIC...
You talked about your stats and (I guess) the fact that they got you the scholarship and I don't remember you mentioning your friend's stats other than that he didn't have the positive feedback on his interview that you did on yours.
I don't think there is an "easy path to becoming a leader" in the military, just different paths. There are many people who become an officer through from the enlisted ranks, many of them I would imagine are like your friend who did not have the top academic stats necessary to get a SA appointment or a ROTC scholarship. They have what it takes to be a leader or at least have developed what it takes along the way. Not everyone is ready at the same time. The Army provides plenty of opportunity for those who demonstrate hard work to get ahead.
So while your friend may not have had the stats to go the "easy path" (trust me, plenty of students including my own overcome being "average" to get there) as you call it, if he is dedicated to being a leader in the Army there are plenty of other options to get there.
This thread is about those who have had offers and what their stats are. There are many who haven't been offered a national scholarship who are reading and getting an idea of how they compare against those who have been awarded their scholarships. Most of them don't post how nervous they really are about their chances. A few of them (I believe there is another thread currently active out there) seem to be formulating "Plan B" for becoming an officer. I think it would be wise to spend your time helping your friend look at these options as opposed to railing at the system, which is only being looked at by those who aren't even in the system yet.
Best of luck to you and your friend.
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TruCadet - there are so many options available to your friend. It is true that a lot of kids can't afford college. even with a ROTC scholarship it can be tough. Does your friend know that he can enlist for 3 years and then get his college paid for free and get paid? It's called the New GI Bill. He can also join ROTC if he wants to continue his service as an officer.
There is no one path to officership. Be a friend to your friend and help him explore the ways that will work for him. This is a much better route than complaining about which you have no control. Lead by example, attitude is everything.
There is no one path to officership. Be a friend to your friend and help him explore the ways that will work for him. This is a much better route than complaining about which you have no control. Lead by example, attitude is everything.
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TruCadet. It is commendable that you earned a scholarship this year in spite of not having the best academic credentials. That is impressive. I suspect the same initiative you have shown here came through in your interveiw. Someone saw your potential and lifted up your OML score. One has to wonder though, why is it that YOU are on this forum investigating options for your friend, and not him? Why would he even let you do this for him?
It is great to be a good friend, but I read through your posts and wonder if you have also become his "crutch". Perhaps it is time you started to let him find his own way.
It is great to be a good friend, but I read through your posts and wonder if you have also become his "crutch". Perhaps it is time you started to let him find his own way.
I know this thread has been quiet for a while but I would like to add just a couple things. Trucadet, you have received some good advise, the foremost would be that you have just begun the competition. I do have one observation I would like to share.
My older son applied for the 4 year scholarship in November of 2007. The process was very different then. The schools offered the scholarships based on their available slots. My son listed 5 schools and was ofered a scholarship by all 5, the PMS at each school called several times to convince my son to attwnd their school. Some of the schools offered as much as a 3,000.00 dollar bonus payment to attend. I only state this information because compared to the stats i see for some of the students going through the application process now, my son was only average. He had a 3.6 uw GPA, NHS, Eagle Scout, Only sport was 4 years tennis, and an 1150 SAT. He was selected by the first board that met. When he arrived at his school in the Fall of 2008 the ROO was still activly looking to fill scholarship positions. TruCadet and his friend would have no problem getting a scholarship at that time. Which brings me to my point.
I will always admire anyone that chooses to do some type of service for the money they receive for college, ROTC is a great way to do that. The only frustration I have is that when we were under a different administration and the wars in Iraq and Afganistan had no end in siight, they could hardly give these scholarships away. Now that the economy has turned downward and there is a perseption that the Wars are winding down the floodgates of applications have begun again. Where was that flood when things were a little darker.
Back to Trucadet, my son is now an MS2 and I can tell you from hearing his experiences that if you go into your MS1 year with that attitude you will have serious problems. As another post said the competition has just begun. The Art major with a 3.9 will be higher then the Phisics major with a 3.5. You mentioned that you PT was not as good as some others, well you better get working on that quickly, that is a competition too. If you are even considering a summer school like Airborne or Air Assult you will need to be at the top of you class because each school only gets a couple slots. My sons school had just 2 slots for summer schools for the MS2's My son was lucky to get one, to do that he was ranked #1 in the MS2 class, they look at GPA, Leadership, ROTC work, and PT. You compete with everyone in all these areas so get used to it. Just to give you some perspective, to get the #1 spot he got a 320 on his AFPT. So my best advise is to suck it up, and drop the attitude, if you don't they will grind you up and spit you out. This isn't just a club you join and it's by no means an easy route to be an officer. it's the military it's not supposed to be fair just tough.
My older son applied for the 4 year scholarship in November of 2007. The process was very different then. The schools offered the scholarships based on their available slots. My son listed 5 schools and was ofered a scholarship by all 5, the PMS at each school called several times to convince my son to attwnd their school. Some of the schools offered as much as a 3,000.00 dollar bonus payment to attend. I only state this information because compared to the stats i see for some of the students going through the application process now, my son was only average. He had a 3.6 uw GPA, NHS, Eagle Scout, Only sport was 4 years tennis, and an 1150 SAT. He was selected by the first board that met. When he arrived at his school in the Fall of 2008 the ROO was still activly looking to fill scholarship positions. TruCadet and his friend would have no problem getting a scholarship at that time. Which brings me to my point.
I will always admire anyone that chooses to do some type of service for the money they receive for college, ROTC is a great way to do that. The only frustration I have is that when we were under a different administration and the wars in Iraq and Afganistan had no end in siight, they could hardly give these scholarships away. Now that the economy has turned downward and there is a perseption that the Wars are winding down the floodgates of applications have begun again. Where was that flood when things were a little darker.
Back to Trucadet, my son is now an MS2 and I can tell you from hearing his experiences that if you go into your MS1 year with that attitude you will have serious problems. As another post said the competition has just begun. The Art major with a 3.9 will be higher then the Phisics major with a 3.5. You mentioned that you PT was not as good as some others, well you better get working on that quickly, that is a competition too. If you are even considering a summer school like Airborne or Air Assult you will need to be at the top of you class because each school only gets a couple slots. My sons school had just 2 slots for summer schools for the MS2's My son was lucky to get one, to do that he was ranked #1 in the MS2 class, they look at GPA, Leadership, ROTC work, and PT. You compete with everyone in all these areas so get used to it. Just to give you some perspective, to get the #1 spot he got a 320 on his AFPT. So my best advise is to suck it up, and drop the attitude, if you don't they will grind you up and spit you out. This isn't just a club you join and it's by no means an easy route to be an officer. it's the military it's not supposed to be fair just tough.
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rwbamerica
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Im wondering what everyone who has and hasnt receive a scholarship for army rotc grades, act, sports played, jobs, leadership look like.
My Info:
3.4 GPA
980 SAT
Company Commander of my NJROTC unit
Cadet Officer for 3 years
Wrestling team
Track & Field
Young Republicans Club
Student Government President
Lots of Leadership Camps
NJROTC Leadership Academy Graduate (8th out of 150 cadets from NC & SC)
Lots of Community Service
A Honor Roll
A & B Honor Roll
76 Sit ups, 83 push ups, 6:21 on the mile (Presidential Fitness Challenge)
180 out of 200 on the PMS interview
I know my SAT score is weak, but do you guys think I have any chance at getting a scholarship?
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Wow everyone here must be very smart.
My ACT scores were only 25. But I had plenty of CS, and EC to cover up for my academics (3.76).
Im grateful because I recieved both an Air Force (Type 2) AND NAVY ROTC Scholarships.
But I think the thing that helped me out the most would be the Interview..... I nailed it. And I think it does count as 50% of the whole score.
My ACT scores were only 25. But I had plenty of CS, and EC to cover up for my academics (3.76).
Im grateful because I recieved both an Air Force (Type 2) AND NAVY ROTC Scholarships.
But I think the thing that helped me out the most would be the Interview..... I nailed it. And I think it does count as 50% of the whole score.
jasondavid92
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Army Rotc
I was rejected by the October Board.
I think I did really well in the interview, but I am prior service with a 28 ACT, 1770 SAT, 5 AP classes, two honors, 3.6 GPA.
Varsity Rifle Team with 4 Letters, too many JROTC awards to count, and I did pretty well on the PT Test - I think around 60 sit-ups, 50 push-ups, and a 7:30 mile. Mile is my weakest event.
Hopefully I get in on one of the next two boards!
Jason David
I was rejected by the October Board.
I think I did really well in the interview, but I am prior service with a 28 ACT, 1770 SAT, 5 AP classes, two honors, 3.6 GPA.
Varsity Rifle Team with 4 Letters, too many JROTC awards to count, and I did pretty well on the PT Test - I think around 60 sit-ups, 50 push-ups, and a 7:30 mile. Mile is my weakest event.
Hopefully I get in on one of the next two boards!
Jason David
I was awarded a 3 year scholarship out of state to the University of Virginia (also offered 4 year in state to Michigan State).
GPA-4.2 weighted, 3.8 U/W
ACT-30
SAT (CR+M)-1320
Credentials: marching and concert band: first chair Trombone, Bass Trombone for audition-only orchestra, cadet commander and Amelia Earhart Award recipient in Civil Air Patrol, National Honor Society, Spanish Club, top delegate at Model UN, 1st alternate delegate to Boys' Nation from Michigan and Boys' State Speaker of the House.
No sports at all.
PT test-60 push ups, 58 sit ups, 5:58mile
GPA-4.2 weighted, 3.8 U/W
ACT-30
SAT (CR+M)-1320
Credentials: marching and concert band: first chair Trombone, Bass Trombone for audition-only orchestra, cadet commander and Amelia Earhart Award recipient in Civil Air Patrol, National Honor Society, Spanish Club, top delegate at Model UN, 1st alternate delegate to Boys' Nation from Michigan and Boys' State Speaker of the House.
No sports at all.
PT test-60 push ups, 58 sit ups, 5:58mile
Son has;
27 ACT
Varsity letters 2 sports
GPA 3.22
Student government
Max (or close) on interview
Community service
Church group
Part time job, team leader
Good PT score
4 yr scholarships to top 3 choices
(state universities, one in-state, two out-of-state)
27 ACT
Varsity letters 2 sports
GPA 3.22
Student government
Max (or close) on interview
Community service
Church group
Part time job, team leader
Good PT score
4 yr scholarships to top 3 choices
(state universities, one in-state, two out-of-state)
Alexander93
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I was awarded a 4 year scholarship to Duke University and University of Tennessee- Knoxville.
32 ACT
3.63 GPA
3 AP classes
All others Honors
National Honors Society
4 years Army JROTC
-Drill team
-Colorguard
-Raider team
-Honorguard
1 year Cross Country
1 year Rugby
Volunteer work
Hope this helps
32 ACT
3.63 GPA
3 AP classes
All others Honors
National Honors Society
4 years Army JROTC
-Drill team
-Colorguard
-Raider team
-Honorguard
1 year Cross Country
1 year Rugby
Volunteer work
Hope this helps
I recieved scholarships to my 5 top schools on the Oct. Board.
Stats were:
3.55 GPA u/w 4 AP's and 4 Honors
24 ACT
NHS
Eagle Scout
3 yrs Varsity Cross Country - Team Captain
3 yrs Varsity Track and Field - Team Captain
Editor in Chief School Annual
Sports Editor
Debate Team
1 yr Head Juror Youth Municiple Court
1 yr Judge Youth Municiple Court
2 yrs Senator in Youth in Government
380 Community service hours
National Presidential Service Award
Senior Leader for Youth Group
Camp Counselor
3 Mission trips to Mexico with Youth Group
Advanced Scuba Diver Certified
Scored 245 on the APFT
Just a bit of advice, the APFT is nothing like the PFT. Those who say they did 60 pushups in one min. are going to have a shock when they take their first APFT. They have very strict form requirements and only count the ones that meet those requirements. It takes 71 pushups to meet the max count in 2 min. Very few get that high, so to say you can do 60 in a min, the form is definitly not going to meet their standards. My brother is a MS3 and has told me that many new MS1's brag about their push ups and sit ups until they take the first test, and they don't pass. Make sure your ready. Oh, and the sit ups are different then the PFT sit ups too.
Good Luck to all those out there.
Stats were:
3.55 GPA u/w 4 AP's and 4 Honors
24 ACT
NHS
Eagle Scout
3 yrs Varsity Cross Country - Team Captain
3 yrs Varsity Track and Field - Team Captain
Editor in Chief School Annual
Sports Editor
Debate Team
1 yr Head Juror Youth Municiple Court
1 yr Judge Youth Municiple Court
2 yrs Senator in Youth in Government
380 Community service hours
National Presidential Service Award
Senior Leader for Youth Group
Camp Counselor
3 Mission trips to Mexico with Youth Group
Advanced Scuba Diver Certified
Scored 245 on the APFT
Just a bit of advice, the APFT is nothing like the PFT. Those who say they did 60 pushups in one min. are going to have a shock when they take their first APFT. They have very strict form requirements and only count the ones that meet those requirements. It takes 71 pushups to meet the max count in 2 min. Very few get that high, so to say you can do 60 in a min, the form is definitly not going to meet their standards. My brother is a MS3 and has told me that many new MS1's brag about their push ups and sit ups until they take the first test, and they don't pass. Make sure your ready. Oh, and the sit ups are different then the PFT sit ups too.
Good Luck to all those out there.
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I don't think you got rejected by the board...what happened is that your file score was not high enough to receive a scholarship offer this round. Hang in there, 2 more rounds to go. I would also encourage you to keep in contact with your top schools, and start researching some of the other options, like SMP or campus based scholarships.
jasondavid92
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Lol yes that is what I meant. Yeah hopefully get the December board. I am thinking that the October Board is similar to Early Action for college where they take the best and the rest get deferred, in this case, are sent to the Dec. or Feb. Board. But yes, ROTC Scholarship a back up to USMA or USNA and I am already enlisted in the Army Reserve so using that to pay for college is a back up to the scholarship. And I applied for the Marine Corps ROTC Scholarship (Navy ROTC Marine Corps Option).
Can someone tell me if I have good chances of receiving an ROTC scholarship.
GPA: 3.1 (UW) 3.4 (W)
SAT: M:620 CR: 680 W: 670 Total: 1970
ACT: 29
Sports: 4 years of Varsity Baseball Outfield, 3 years varsity tight end. Team captain for Baseball and Football my senior year.
Extracurricular: 3 years of Drama, 2 years of Band
I've taken 5 AP classes and have 30 college credits at University of Maryland University College.
I've been in JROTC for 4 years.
I have almost 80 hours of community service
Pushups:62 Situps: 73 1.5 Mile Run: 7:10
GPA: 3.1 (UW) 3.4 (W)
SAT: M:620 CR: 680 W: 670 Total: 1970
ACT: 29
Sports: 4 years of Varsity Baseball Outfield, 3 years varsity tight end. Team captain for Baseball and Football my senior year.
Extracurricular: 3 years of Drama, 2 years of Band
I've taken 5 AP classes and have 30 college credits at University of Maryland University College.
I've been in JROTC for 4 years.
member of the Drill and Marksmanship team all 4 years.
Platoon Sergeant my sophomore year. (E-6, Staff Sergeant)
Admin Officer my junior year (0-2 1st Lieutenant)
Company Commanding Officer my senior year (0-5 Major)
I'm also a part of NSHSS (National Society of High School Scholars)Platoon Sergeant my sophomore year. (E-6, Staff Sergeant)
Admin Officer my junior year (0-2 1st Lieutenant)
Company Commanding Officer my senior year (0-5 Major)
I have almost 80 hours of community service
Pushups:62 Situps: 73 1.5 Mile Run: 7:10