Why Should GMC get their ABUs?

[alain95]

Yes I meant ACUs

My apologies. I did mean ACUs. I am not too familiar with the army acronyms. I have notice it all depends of where you are. I don't know how funding is divided among Detatchments but it seems that somes are better funded than others. Or they just use their funding differently. I'm over it though, I got my blues yesterday and I am proud to have them. AIR POWER!!

 

[Jcleppe]

Schleppe: Yeah seriously. Further, a search of prior military regulations prohibited the wearing of working uniforms off base and in the general public. I found a Marine Reserve unit rule prohibiting the wearing of "utilities" off base unless traveling to drill. I found similar rules for sailors prohibiting the wear of blue dungarees in the civilian public. Many more rules like these all cited the public wearing of such uniforms as inappropriate. Perceptions and rules may change, but many still think these are work and field clothes not appropriate for public display...seriously.

Schleppe...Gee that was clever.

Thanks for the lesson on uniform regs, I guess they teach that as an introductory class at your Maritime School.

First your a little off on your regs. Not every soldier lives on base, when they leave base to go home they wear their uniform of the day, they stop at the grocery store, the gas station, the mall, McDonalds on their way home. I would love to see their reaction when you stroll up and tell them it's not appropriate to be in their uniform, no matter what uniform they wear that day.

Not quite sure who your speaking of when you say "Many still think"

In your original post you said ACU's would make you feel uncomfortable as a "wannabe warrior" that is what I commented on.

And kid, don't ever call me Schleppe again, you need to drop your attitude and concentrate on your Maritime school, as you said your not a ROTC cadet, makes people wonder why you are still trolling around here.

I'm not an ROTC Cadet. However, when I see servicemen wearing ACU's in public, I think of somebody wearing work uniforms like coveralls. I personally like the blues, they are more classic and seem more appropriate for public and campus wear. I especially like the AF blues as they appear to be more cerebral and technically oriented. If I were an AFROTC Cadet, I'd be an engineering type, not a warrior type. The ACU's would make me feel uncomfortable as a wannabe warrior. Just a thought, you might face opposition from your own classmates.

 

[nick4060]

I'm not an ROTC Cadet. However, when I see servicemen wearing ACU's in public, I think of somebody wearing work uniforms like coveralls. I personally like the blues, they are more classic and seem more appropriate for public and campus wear. I especially like the AF blues as they appear to be more cerebral and technically oriented. If I were an AFROTC Cadet, I'd be an engineering type, not a warrior type. The ACU's would make me feel uncomfortable as a wannabe warrior. Just a thought, you might face opposition from your own classmates.

Why would he face opposition from his classmates for wearing the uniform of the day? Regardless of your perceptions of warriors and wannabe warriors, hundreds of thousands of airmen wear their ABUs every day (except Monday). They don't wear them because they want to look like something they're not. They wear them because they're told to. I don't think you'll find many airmen or AFROTC cadets saying something like "Look at my ABUs...they mean I'm a warrior."

Schleppe: Yeah seriously. Further, a search of prior military regulations prohibited the wearing of working uniforms off base and in the general public. I found a Marine Reserve unit rule prohibiting the wearing of "utilities" off base unless traveling to drill. I found similar rules for sailors prohibiting the wear of blue dungarees in the civilian public. Many more rules like these all cited the public wearing of such uniforms as inappropriate. Perceptions and rules may change, but many still think these are work and field clothes not appropriate for public display...seriously.

You may think that's inappropriate, and you're entitled to your views. But the Air Force doesn't operate by the same uniform regulations you may find for the Navy or Marines. The ABU is not specifically a "work and field" uniform. Its the uniform of the day for most airmen, 6 days a week. I have never heard of someone being chastised for stopping in a public place in the UoD while on their way to/from work.

 

[Pima]

nick,

Actually about 15 yrs ago they were chastised for stopping somewhere in uniform. Thought process was if you needed to buy anything you could get it on base, i.e. gas, milk, diapers, whatever. It was a slow gradual change, but it did exist long ago.

Overseas especially that was a big No-No!

Mech,
As far as the blues and you being an engineering type, don't assume that you will wear only blues. That is like assuming the JAG, PA, Docs and Accting officers only wear blues, it is not true.

Believe it or not every member is a warrior. The AF, and any other branch exists to serve this country in a defense manner. They are not just lawyers, docs, public affairs personnel. They are not like the civilian world. Their goal is not to make a profit. Their goal is to defend this country. The country calls they go. That includes those wannabe warriors you have in your mind.

 

[scoutpilot]

Believe it or not every member is a warrior. The AF, and any other branch exists to serve this country in a defense manner. They are not just lawyers, docs, public affairs personnel. They are not like the civilian world. Their goal is not to make a profit. Their goal is to defend this country. The country calls they go. That includes those wannabe warriors you have in your mind.

That's a pretty far stretch, to be honest. The term "warrior" is grossly over-applied by the current and recent tranche of senior leadership attempting to build a "warrior" mentality out of thin air.

That being said, I agree with your point that the blues are somehow for "engineering types." The Russian Suit, er...Blues, are for everyone. I was involved in an event yesterday with several AF folks and all were in blues. Two were pilots, one was who-knows-what, and one was an intel officer.

I think the real question of this thread is why we're even entertaining the uniform notions of someone who's not in ROTC.

 

[Pima]

Well scout, as he has stated he is a tax payer. As a taxpayer don't you agree it is best to inform and educate them?

 

[scoutpilot]

Well scout, as he has stated he is a tax payer. As a taxpayer don't you agree it is best to inform and educate them?

I've never bought that argument, because it's always used when someone in the civilian world decides they need justification to get out of their lane and yap about things they have no reason to yap about. You're a taxpayer? Good for you. I'm a taxpayer too. So is everyone else in the military.

Paying taxes doesn't make you an automatic party to the discussion. It doesn't give you a vote on how the military wears its uniforms, what secrets you get to know, or anything else. Your vote comes on election day.

If that argument was used in any context other than one where the user has already realized they're out of their element and have no reason to be, then it might carry some weight. You're right, he's a taxpayer. He doesn't get to tell a cop how to wear his gun or a tell a firefighter how to honk the horn, so why does he (or anyone else who uses that argument) think he gets a say in how the military puts its clothes on? He doesn't.

Entertaining his notions is already bordering on feeding the trolls.

 

[Pima]

scout,

I am not agreeing or disagreeing with you about their rights to have a say as you have stated. I am saying that when you don't inform or educate why this may be occurring you have voters making decision based on their ignorance.

It might be the yrs I spent teaching that makes me feel this way. I recall a 5th grader asking why did they have to learn about history, afterall it is in the past. Seriously, what does some archduke ferdinand have to do with today and what it going on? It was their ignorance that made them come to that decision. So what he got killed and that started WWI, whoopee to doo! Once they understood how each thing connected to our current lives they had an AH HA moment. This happened to be Nov 2001 when I was asked that question.

The same is true here. You are not feeding a troll, you are educating them.

Do they have a voice when it comes to Mondays everyone wears blues? No, but to understand why they do requires educating and informing them. As a taxpayer, heck as a citizen they deserve that right to understand the thought process. To understand and to question are two different things.

I am with you when it is questioning the legitimacy, but at this point it appeared to me he was trying to understand the frame of mind for the reason why in this situation.

 

[Jcleppe]

Pima,

I would agree with you except for the fact she was not looking to be educated, she was looking to shake things up. If she (MechEngi2b) feels the need to start her comments with clever little name games then she needs to stick to facebook.

I have no problem with educating people that are looking for answers, once she starts to antagonize just for sport, she loses any respect. Whether she's bitter over not being given a scholarship to the Navy or AF, and has decided to vent here, who knows. She is not associated with ROTC, but feels the need to raise everyones awareness.

 

[Pima]

Jcleppe,

You, I and Scout have been around long enough to know there are lurkers on this site.

MechEngi2B will be what they will be. Lurkers and new posters are looking to be educated.

My issue was more with the comment of:
because it's always used when someone in the civilian world decides they need justification to get out of their lane and yap about things they have no reason to yap about. You're a taxpayer? Good for you. I'm a taxpayer too. So is everyone else in the military.

According to scout, and if I am right, you are not military, you have no right to yap. Bullet is no longer AD, although he pays taxes on his retirement pay has no right to yap. I was just a spouse, I never had a right to yap.
Afterall, you, me and Bullet aren't putting our lives on the line. It doesn't matter that it is our kids or my spouse, we are not AD. We are in the lane yapping.

To place a blanket statement like that does no good IMPO.

Taxpayers have a right to query where their money is being spent. Yes, it is ironic or sad that military members are paying their own salary, but that doesn't mean they should have the final decision regarding everything. CAVEAT I do not believe that was Scout's intention. I just believe he doesn't see why we should educate even posters like Mech that appear to be arrogant.

Geez, if you did give the power to only the AD military members, I bet 99% of them would put the majority of the money to salary and not to next gen hardware. Is that ideal? Do you think an E-3 with a wife and kid cares about the next gen hardware or their uniform? No!

That's what I mean by education. It maybe MechEngi2b is resentful. How do you get them over the resentment? They will be taxpayers soon enough. You get them over it by educating them why this occurs. You don't tell them to stay in their lane or they are equivalent to a troll. Honey vs vinegar.

You want them educated so when it comes to election day they support the candidates on their ballot that supports the military. You show them why that the new Army ABU doesn't work and it will cost millions to replace.

Mech is going to be a voter with a voice. Attacking them will do no good. Educating them will!

JMPO, I agree with Scout the uniform of the day is not worth the post. That is the military's right. The educating why it isn't worth the argument is a different story.

 

[Jcleppe]

Jcleppe,

You, I and Scout have been around long enough to know there are lurkers on this site.

MechEngi2B will be what they will be. Lurkers and new posters are looking to be educated.

My issue was more with the comment of:
because it's always used when someone in the civilian world decides they need justification to get out of their lane and yap about things they have no reason to yap about. You're a taxpayer? Good for you. I'm a taxpayer too. So is everyone else in the military.

According to scout, and if I am right, you are not military, you have no right to yap. Bullet is no longer AD, although he pays taxes on his retirement pay has no right to yap. I was just a spouse, I never had a right to yap.
Afterall, you, me and Bullet aren't putting our lives on the line. It doesn't matter that it is our kids or my spouse, we are not AD. We are in the lane yapping.

To place a blanket statement like that does no good IMPO.

Taxpayers have a right to query where their money is being spent. Yes, it is ironic or sad that military members are paying their own salary, but that doesn't mean they should have the final decision regarding everything. CAVEAT I do not believe that was Scout's intention. I just believe he doesn't see why we should educate even posters like Mech that appear to be arrogant.

Geez, if you did give the power to only the AD military members, I bet 99% of them would put the majority of the money to salary and not to next gen hardware. Is that ideal? Do you think an E-3 with a wife and kid cares about the next gen hardware or their uniform? No!

That's what I mean by education. It maybe MechEngi2b is resentful. How do you get them over the resentment? They will be taxpayers soon enough. You get them over it by educating them why this occurs. You don't tell them to stay in their lane or they are equivalent to a troll. Honey vs vinegar.

You want them educated so when it comes to election day they support the candidates on their ballot that supports the military. You show them why that the new Army ABU doesn't work and it will cost millions to replace.

Mech is going to be a voter with a voice. Attacking them will do no good. Educating them will!

JMPO, I agree with Scout the uniform of the day is not worth the post. That is the military's right. The educating why it isn't worth the argument is a different story.

Sorry Pima but I completely lost you on that one.

The girl called me Schleppe, made me a little mad and I took the bait much to my regret.

I really have no idea what you debating about with scout.