Women on subs now in effect as of 1 May 10

Women can't fly fighter/bomber planes? Submarines? Nursing? There are a huge number of military jobs that would free up males for the few jobs that women still can't perform. Assuming of course that a war large enough to warrant using a draft will be fought with large numbers of combat arms troops and not mostly via missiles and planes.

Infantry. The purpose is to supply the country with INFANTRY soldiers.
Last I heard females are still forbidden from serving in the infantry.

http://www.sss.gov/FSwomen.htm

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE At President Clinton's request, the Department of Defense reviewed this issue in 1994. DoD noted that America's prior drafts were used to supply adequate numbers of Army ground combat troops. Because women are excluded by policy from front line combat positions, excluding them from the draft process remains justifiable in DoD's view. Although no conclusions were reached, DoD recognized that policies regarding women need to be reviewed periodically because the role of women in the military continues to expand.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Selective Service System, if given the mission and additional funding, is capable of registering and drafting women with its existing infrastructure.[/FONT]
 
RE: child support and default on student loans - all these problems can be rectified and a federal job can be held.

If a male has not registered with selective service by the time he is 26 he is FOREVER barred from holding a federal job.
 
Infantry. The purpose is to supply the country with INFANTRY soldiers.
Last I heard females are still forbidden from serving in the infantry.

http://www.sss.gov/FSwomen.htm

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE At President Clinton's request, the Department of Defense reviewed this issue in 1994. DoD noted that America's prior drafts were used to supply adequate numbers of Army ground combat troops. Because women are excluded by policy from front line combat positions, excluding them from the draft process remains justifiable in DoD's view. Although no conclusions were reached, DoD recognized that policies regarding women need to be reviewed periodically because the role of women in the military continues to expand.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Selective Service System, if given the mission and additional funding, is capable of registering and drafting women with its existing infrastructure.[/FONT]


Could still draft women in the support roles, freeing males in that category for infantry, etc.
 
Women can't fly fighter/bomber planes? Submarines? Nursing? There are a huge number of military jobs that would free up males for the few jobs that women still can't perform. Assuming of course that a war large enough to warrant using a draft will be fought with large numbers of combat arms troops and not mostly via missiles and planes.
Infantry. The purpose is to supply the country with INFANTRY soldiers.
Last I heard females are still forbidden from serving in the infantry.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE ... DoD noted that America's prior drafts were used to supply adequate numbers of Army ground combat troops...[/FONT]
Does Army ground combat troops mean infantry soldiers only? I can tell you from personal experience that there were people drafted during Vietnam that did not become infantry troops. Just because prior drafts may have been used primarily to supply large numbers of Army ground combat troops, doesn't necessarily mean a future draft should be used solely for that purpose.

Why shouldn't/couldn't women be drafted to perform the huge number of military jobs that would free up males for the few jobs that women still can't perform?
 
All Infantry and Armor jobs are closed to women. Females may serve in some other combat arms branches but in a limited capacity. For example, they may serve in engineers but not as a combat engineer. They may serve as officers in a limited capacity in FA and ADA - I don't know if any enlisted jobs in these branches are open to women.
The number of jobs open to females in the combat arms branches is so limited there is no need to have a draft to fill them.

There absolutely could be a draft to put females in jobs to "free" up the males. However, not every male is qualified medically or physically for combat - the number displaced might be quite small. Again, the intent of the draft is to provide a large database of males to serve in ground combat. When they allow females to serve in ground combat - they can force them to register and be available for a potential draft.
 
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Infantry. The purpose is to supply the country with INFANTRY soldiers.
Last I heard females are still forbidden from serving in the infantry.
All Infantry and Armor jobs are closed to women.
Thanks for sharing. I asked whether Army ground combat troops mean infantry soldiers only? How about truck drivers? Medics? Cooks? Are ALL jobs that fit into the category "Army ground combat troops" off limits to women?
When they allow females to serve in ground combat - they can force them to register and be available for a potential draft.
So if they can't be part of the Combat Arms in the Army then they shouldn't have to register and serve their country in a different capacity?
 
How about truck drivers? Medics? Cooks? Are ALL jobs that fit into the category "Army ground combat troops" off limits to women?
some are - some medic jobs are reserved for men only. A female medic who won the Silver Star for her valor while on a mission was transferred out of her unit. She wasn't supposed to be there.

So if they can't be part of the Combat Arms in the Army then they shouldn't have to register and serve their country in a different capacity?
Hey, I'm good with that. I am also good with CO's having to serve in another capacity as well as sole surviving sons, college students and those medically unfit for military service.
The question was why don't females have to register for the selective service now - I gave the rationale.
 
The question was why don't females have to register for the selective service now - I gave the rationale.
And IMHO the rationale is as outdated as the prohibition of women serving as fighter pilots, submariners, or enrolling in the SAs. Yet despite that outdated rationale you don't hear much talk about really giving women "equal rights" in the draft.
 
I agree she was a wimp. My point is she did so much damage to women. C'mon, she fights for that spot for a yr. Causes turmoil, and lawsuits, changes the system to only show up and bust week one.

Funny how that works, I'm guessing the argument of "opens up a huge pool of eligible people to fill positions" will also be just academic. Pass the law and we'll see how many "flock" to join the Infantry lol I'm sure once DADT passes there will be a small group entering and we'll see how harmonious that works in the real world. Somewhere in a cave in the Middle East OBL is LHAO! :shake:

Oh and BTW, will they change the physical requirements for women? This is the ultimate slippery slope and just a win for people trying to hog tie our great system.
 
Navy picks first 4 Subs to get female officers

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/10/navy-4-subs-to-get-women-crew-members-102110w/

The Navy has selected four commands as the first submarines to integrate women, a process expected to begin late next year, the Navy announced Thursday.
Women will join the crews of the ballistic-missile submarines Wyoming and Maine, and the guided-missile submarines Georgia and Ohio beginning December 2011 after completing training, which consists of nuclear power school, prototype training and the Submarine Officer Basic Course, according to the service’s news release. The blue and gold crews of these subs each will get two female junior officers as well as a female supply lieutenant, who will serve as a professional and personal role model.
In a speech at the annual Naval Submarine League symposium, Vice Adm. John Donnelly, Submarine Force commander, extolled the benefits of adding female submariners, such as drawing more candidates with technical training, and said the biggest challenge for the new policy is going to be determined critics.
“There are a group of people who have strongly held opinions, and they will be in the wings, waiting for the first indication there are problems,” Donnelly said. “But the vast majority of the submarines that I’ve talked to on active duty today are fully embracing this change. And I’m convinced that it will improve the atmosphere and war-fighting capabilities of our subs.”
Both the size of the female contingent — about 20 percent of the wardroom — and the presence of a more senior female officer were based on lessons from the integration of the surface fleet, Donnelly said.
There are 21 women in the first crop of submarine officers. “From what I’ve seen of these women,” Donnelly said, “they’re very above average.”
The current plan is to integrate two more boats in 2012 and then one more boat each year until 2015.
Plans to integrate enlisted ranks are still being studied, due to complexities with berthing arrangements, officials said.
Wyoming and Georgia are homeported at Naval Submarine Base Kings Bay, Ga. Ohio and Maine are based at Naval Base Kitsap in Bangor, Wash.
 
I'm glad to see this progressing. I wonder why they didn't start letting women start serving on subs the day after deciding they should be allowed to? :rolleyes: (Sarcasm)
 
I'm glad to see this progressing. I wonder why they didn't start letting women start serving on subs the day after deciding they should be allowed to? :rolleyes: (Sarcasm)

Probably a combo of the need to configure berthing and heads (bathrooms) and to get women who were nuke AND sub trained.

As with any first, there will be some blips in the road but I think that several years from now, it will largely be a non-issue.
 
Probably a combo of the need to configure berthing and heads (bathrooms) and to get women who were nuke AND sub trained.

As with any first, there will be some blips in the road but I think that several years from now, it will largely be a non-issue.

usna1985: I tried to emphasize my "Sarcasm" quote. This was actually a back-handed remark against the other thread where many people think it's totally acceptable to simply make a judgment in one day, and allow gays to serve openly in the military; without considering any logistical requirements. Guess I should have made my "Sarcasm" larger and bolder. (I understand what is involved with allowing women on subs).
 
Congrats to these women!

I am just curious if someone can explain:

The blue and gold crews of these subs each will get two female junior officers as well as a female supply lieutenant, who will serve as a professional and personal role model.

This supply Lt. how does she play into the professional or personal role model position? She has no sub experience right?
 
Congrats to these women!

I am just curious if someone can explain:



This supply Lt. how does she play into the professional or personal role model position? She has no sub experience right?

Probably because it's a Navy Lietenant(LT) who is an 03 and can provide the perspective of a more senior female officer. I don't think they are using her to show them how to get qualified on the submarine.
 
Will she be on the sub, so now it is 3 females, not 2?
 
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