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As my kids — Marine 2LT, Army MS3 — will attest, I am adamantly against quitting. Especially when a commitment was made to others who also have something at stake. It helps explain why one kid didn’t quit when they learned that a demanding summer job wasn’t exactly as promised. And why the other kid, who suffered a season-ending injury before that sports season even began, showed up for every hour of every practice and game even though their condition made it difficult and the coach was willing to give a pass.

I taught my kids to not quit and to honor their commitments. I also taught them — maybe even more explicitly — that if you believe something isn’t right, you need to take action. That at some point, you need to quit (argh, that word again!) *****in’ and moanin’ and actually do something about it. I taught them that in such a case, they must DEMONSTRATE LEADERSHIP by rallying others to the cause, mobilizing them for action, petitioning the powers that be, presenting a better way, and persisting until the wrong is corrected. In other words: Have the courage of your convictions!

@blhenrywalpole and @Kentucky9, what have you done to right this perceived wrong? Have you formally and officially lodged a complaint with USNA admissions and the Navy? Have you proposed a better way? Have you persisted until your desired solution is adopted? Or are you content to sling insults at people you don’t know and situations you don’t understand?

You’re clearly intent on being a role model for your kids. You’ve taught them lessons that have led them to want to serve our nation. That’s impressive and admirable and commendable. So why not follow through and show them that talk is cheap and that demonstrated leadership is how we change things for the better.

And with that, I respectfully quit this thread. Off to the bacon thread, where the posters know no quit!
 
MidCakePa said:
As my kids — Marine 2LT, Army MS3 — will attest, I am adamantly against quitting. Especially when a commitment was made to others who also have something at stake. It helps explain why one kid didn’t quit when they learned that a demanding summer job wasn’t exactly as promised. And why the other kid, who suffered a season-ending injury before that sports season even began, showed up for every hour of every practice and game even though their condition made it difficult and the coach was willing to give a pass.

I taught my kids to not quit and to honor their commitments. I also taught them — maybe even more explicitly — that if you believe something isn’t right, you need to take action. That at some point, you need to quit (argh, that word again!) *****in’ and moanin’ and actually do something about it. I taught them that in such a case, they must DEMONSTRATE LEADERSHIP by rallying others to the cause, mobilizing them for action, petitioning the powers that be, presenting a better way, and persisting until the wrong is corrected. In other words: Have the courage of your convictions!

@blhenrywalpole and @Kentucky9, what have you done to right this perceived wrong? Have you formally and officially lodged a complaint with USNA admissions and the Navy? Have you proposed a better way? Have you persisted until your desired solution is adopted? Or are you content to sling insults at people you don’t know and situations you don’t understand?

You’re clearly intent on being a role model for your kids. You’ve taught them lessons that have led them to want to serve our nation. That’s impressive and admirable and commendable. So why not follow through and show them that talk is cheap and that demonstrated leadership is how we change things for the better.

And with that, I respectfully quit this thread. Off to the bacon thread, where the posters know no quit!
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You deserve a drop-by in the cocktail thread after this, enroute to the bacon thread.
 
justdoit19 said:
@blhenrywalpole, from your prior posts, don’t you have a Mid that got in by knowing someone or something?
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No. That is a complete mischaracterization of what I have written regarding my kid's journey.
justdoit19 said:
Why are you so obsessed with this?? Seriously, pick up the phone and air your grievances to USNA.

Also, be careful about putting people on pedestals. It’s a long way down…..
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I'm "obsessed" with this because it bothers me that kids accept appointments, take and oath, only to quit and thereby take the spot of another.

My grievance is not with USNA, my grievance is with the quitters.
 
MidCakePa said:
As my kids — Marine 2LT, Army MS3 — will attest, I am adamantly against quitting. Especially when a commitment was made to others who also have something at stake. It helps explain why one kid didn’t quit when they learned that a demanding summer job wasn’t exactly as promised. And why the other kid, who suffered a season-ending injury before that sports season even began, showed up for every hour of every practice and game even though their condition made it difficult and the coach was willing to give a pass.

I taught my kids to not quit and to honor their commitments. I also taught them — maybe even more explicitly — that if you believe something isn’t right, you need to take action. That at some point, you need to quit (argh, that word again!) *****in’ and moanin’ and actually do something about it. I taught them that in such a case, they must DEMONSTRATE LEADERSHIP by rallying others to the cause, mobilizing them for action, petitioning the powers that be, presenting a better way, and persisting until the wrong is corrected. In other words: Have the courage of your convictions!

@blhenrywalpole and @Kentucky9, what have you done to right this perceived wrong? Have you formally and officially lodged a complaint with USNA admissions and the Navy? Have you proposed a better way? Have you persisted until your desired solution is adopted? Or are you content to sling insults at people you don’t know and situations you don’t understand?

You’re clearly intent on being a role model for your kids. You’ve taught them lessons that have led them to want to serve our nation. That’s impressive and admirable and commendable. So why not follow through and show them that talk is cheap and that demonstrated leadership is how we change things for the better.

And with that, I respectfully quit this thread. Off to the bacon thread, where the posters know no quit!
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Why are you and others erecting a straw man? Are you doing this deliberately or are you just not reading my posts?

Just to knock down the straw man yet again and clear up any confusion, let me state - for the umpteenth time - I have no grievance with USNA. They expect attrition and it's baked into their offers.

Read this ---> My grievance is with the kids who ACCEPTED appointments and took an oath, only to quit and thereby taking the place of another who would have done anything to have the opportunity they just threw away.

Just to clarify:

USNA = No grievance with

Candidates who accepted the appointment, took the oath, then quit = Grievance with
 
MidCakePa said:
As my kids — Marine 2LT, Army MS3 — will attest, I am adamantly against quitting. Especially when a commitment was made to others who also have something at stake. It helps explain why one kid didn’t quit when they learned that a demanding summer job wasn’t exactly as promised. And why the other kid, who suffered a season-ending injury before that sports season even began, showed up for every hour of every practice and game even though their condition made it difficult and the coach was willing to give a pass.

I taught my kids to not quit and to honor their commitments. I also taught them — maybe even more explicitly — that if you believe something isn’t right, you need to take action. That at some point, you need to quit (argh, that word again!) *****in’ and moanin’ and actually do something about it. I taught them that in such a case, they must DEMONSTRATE LEADERSHIP by rallying others to the cause, mobilizing them for action, petitioning the powers that be, presenting a better way, and persisting until the wrong is corrected. In other words: Have the courage of your convictions!

@blhenrywalpole and @Kentucky9, what have you done to right this perceived wrong? Have you formally and officially lodged a complaint with USNA admissions and the Navy? Have you proposed a better way? Have you persisted until your desired solution is adopted? Or are you content to sling insults at people you don’t know and situations you don’t understand?

You’re clearly intent on being a role model for your kids. You’ve taught them lessons that have led them to want to serve our nation. That’s impressive and admirable and commendable. So why not follow through and show them that talk is cheap and that demonstrated leadership is how we change things for the better.

And with that, I respectfully quit this thread. Off to the bacon thread, where the posters know no quit!
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I have not justified quitting….in any way shape or form. Nor have I interfered with any of the process. I’ve just done what the dads before me have done….and that is support. My biggest buy ins as a dad in regards to the academy is their support system for those agreeing to serve and refusing to quit, and their honor code. I still have hope that the tradition of the navy/marines can stabilize this selfish culture that seems to be getting way out of balance.
 
My suggestion and last post on this thread. Maple bacon old fashioned. Might wander over to the cocktail and bacon threads for sanity. And pour a double.
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@blhenrywalpole - I believe you made a reference (a few pages back) to this year's NAPS class being small. How is that being defined and what is the source of the data? What is this year's actual number and what is it compared to - last year's class or to a historical average? Since none of us truly knows the number(s), I was also wondering about your source for the data and if that's sharable with us. If NAPS produces a class profile document, similar to USNA, I think that would be interesting to see.
 
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@blhenrywalpole - I believe you made a reference (a few pages back) to this year's NAPS class being small. How is that being defined and what is the source of the data? What is this year's actual number and what is it compared to - last year's class or to a historical average? Since none of us truly knows the number(s), I was also wondering about your source for the data and if that's sharable with us. If NAPS produces a class profile document, similar to USNA, I think that would be interesting to see.
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You can look up each USNA year’s entering class profile; one of the data points is how many come in from NAPS. You could get a feel for that particular number’s ups and downs as ver the last few years.
 
... so applying to a service academy is a high risk endeavor (high rewards ). What is risk? Risk is the gap between mission (appointment) and resources (candidate). Admissions then determines the gap distance between mission and resources. That concept is why people here are angry.
For us, plan B was hardcore and operational going in. We sent a $300 deposit to Drexel and was ready to move in to the dorm... until the USNA appointment came. No regrets, damn the torpedos, full speed ahead. Personally, I wanted DS to attend that other school by the Hudson (long story). I'll donate my left arm if I have to. However the rejection letter came early December (USNA appointment in late April). Problem was Admissions never waited for all documents to arrive. I think it was the regional commander who rejected the application because both applications were identical. Good thing I don't know this fellow (O3 Captain). So I shed my tears (I'm a dude... really emotional), and just like in combat, "f__k it."
DS is now an upcoming 3/C and honestly we love USNA and Annapolis. We're renting a house just outside the gate for three years.
 
TheNimble1 said:
@blhenrywalpole - I believe you made a reference (a few pages back) to this year's NAPS class being small. How is that being defined and what is the source of the data? What is this year's actual number and what is it compared to - last year's class or to a historical average? Since none of us truly knows the number(s), I was also wondering about your source for the data and if that's sharable with us. If NAPS produces a class profile document, similar to USNA, I think that would be interesting to see.
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What is the source of @blhenrywalpole's statements that a NAPSter quit the first day and two more are quitting tomorrow? There has been no mention of such things on the NAPS 2024 Parents Only FB. Also, the FB administrator was surprised to hear of these statements as she is pretty well plugged in to the school. @blhenrywalpole never answered if he/she has a child at NAPS as only parents of current NAPSters can subscribe to the Facebook they he/she claims to have seen.

@blhenrywalpole's, @Kentucky9's and @rvrratt1's posts are bitter, angry, disrespectful and mean spirited. They show reluctance to take responsibility for their own actions, as they believe that they are always the victim of some rigged system. If they were truly happy and contented with their son's Plan Bs they would not be on this forum whining and griping about how "unfair" their son did not get appointed to either the USNA or NAPS. If one did not know better, one could mistake them for Russian social media trolls.

Like my cousin Smokey Bear sez: time to put this fire out, pour a bucket of water on it and stir the ground.

Now where do I get a maple bacon scotch on the rocks?
 
MidCakePa said:
This whole absurd discussion of “quitters” has me thinking more of “whiners.” As someone sensibly said earlier, these departed prepsters EARNED the right to attend NAPS and to quit NAPS. Who gave them that right, without any negative consequence? The U.S. Navy. Because the Navy knows, better than any of us, that sometimes best-laid plans and intentions don’t work out. And that those who did quit were superior candidates, on paper, than those who were not chosen at all. Obviously not better midshipmen or better officers, at this point, but better candidates, evaluated and assessed to the best of the Navy’s ability. Were mistakes made? Of course! No process is perfect. But the Navy has been at this for a long time and knows what it’s doing.


At USNA, DD knew or knew of some top-of-the-line mids who were great students and great athletes and great leaders. Some chose to leave after plebe year, some before 2-for-7, because something wasn’t quite right. “Quitter” is the last thing DD or her shipmates would call any of them.

A few SA alum have posted here that their former shipmates who had DOR’d were still considered members of the class and were invited to — and heartily welcomed at — class reunions. What does that say about what those in the arena think about such “quitters”?

And what to make of the 2/3 to 3/4 of every BUD/S class that DORs before becoming SEALs? The ones who showed up in supreme shape, with relentless fighting spirit and peerless zeal to serve their country — yet drop out, some within 24 hours. Quitters all, are they?

@Kentucky9 and @blhenrywalpole, your incessant caviling has indeed turned unbecoming. It feels like sour grapes, laced with arrogance and conceit. It’s not good role-modeling either, for mids are taught the concept of “servant leadership,” which emphasizes empathy and the assumption of good intentions.

Hubris and entitlement are nasty things. Someday, someone you love may quit something, despite their best intentions and efforts. I hope that by then, you’ve mustered some semblance of grace that allows them to do so with dignity.
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Thank you.
 
blhenrywalpole said:
Agreed.

Here’s another punch in the gut: A NAPSter quit on the first day and two more are leaving tomorrow.

It’s a disgrace that these kids - quitters - took spots from others who really wanted it…
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My intuition is that someone who quits on day one or two didn't want to be there in the first place, which IMO is a different issue/problem than being a quitter. Quitting implies starting; these folks didn't meaningfully do that. I suspect that is also factored into selection numbers, but it's otherwise, I imagine, a difficult variable to ferret out in the application process if the applicant is saying all the right words.
 
Capt MJ said:
You can look up each USNA year’s entering class profile; one of the data points is how many come in from NAPS. You could get a feel for that particular number’s ups and downs as ver the last few years.
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Ahh, yes. I'd forgotten about that piece in the annual USNA class profile.
 
rvrratt1 said:
Sorry … I’m none of the above, no victim here. Not whining or gripping, you have me mistaken… I actually wrote a humble brag about my very hard working, country loving soon to be graduate.
‘ Everything happens for a reason’ has been my mantra for life SO let’s not put everyone in the same basket. Thank you ~ Cheers #RaVaMil
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Sorry, bro… I think you unknowingly walked into a minefield 🤣🤣🤣
 
jbm2m said:
Sorry, bro… I think you unknowingly walked into a minefield 🤣🤣🤣
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rvrratt1 said:

.. but this kid wants it has poured the foundation since he was a child. Grrrrr ..

WHY, so he can/will succeed and not quit !!!

Just irks me he had to be waitlisted until mid June .. to only hear others quit.

First, there is no evidence provided on this forum of anybody quitting NAPS, yet. There will be about 10% who will eventually DOR from now til June, but no confirmed DORs in the first 6 days. - I have asked @blhenrywalpole for solid evidence and all I hear is silence. @blhenrywalpole made these accusations and went on a rant about quitters with @Kentucky9 piping in, too. Then @rvrratt1 piled on today (see above quotes). If you are not trolls then stop acting like them and let go, just let it go. Your kids have their Plan B, concentrate on that and them. I am positive if they knew what you all have been saying on this forum they would tell you to stop.
 
Alchemist said:
rvrratt1 said:

.. but this kid wants it has poured the foundation since he was a child. Grrrrr ..

WHY, so he can/will succeed and not quit !!!

Just irks me he had to be waitlisted until mid June .. to only hear others quit.

First, there is no evidence provided on this forum of anybody quitting NAPS, yet. There will be about 10% who will eventually DOR from now til June, but no confirmed DORs in the first 6 days. - I have asked @blhenrywalpole for solid evidence and all I hear is silence. @blhenrywalpole made these accusations and went on a rant about quitters with @Kentucky9 piping in, too. Then @rvrratt1 piled on today (see above quotes). If you are not trolls then stop acting like them and let go, just let it go. Your kids have their Plan B, concentrate on that and them. I am positive if they knew what you all have been saying on this forum they would tell you to stop.
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I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt as he made one comment and then pivoted to humble bragging. I think it’s okay to voice frustration and move on. I do think most of us have been sort of… triggered by the last 10 or so pages of toxicity/privilege/caucacity.
 
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