3YR AROTC Transfer

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blaisers99

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DS has a 3yr Scholarship that would take effect next year and is attending college out of state. He is also a walkon member of the schools football team (D1/FBS) while also taking the first semester ROTC class. He has already found it difficult to do ROTC while playing football and is considering transferring to a D3 school with ROTC so that he could do both without the D1 football pressure. How difficult would it be for him to have the 3 yr scholarship transferred to another school? Thanks.
 
blaisers99 said:
yes, but he really likes football
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I am sure he does. Like any parent a ton of questions comes to my mind, that I would want to know the answer too.

1. How much of a good academic/social fit is the current school?
2. How connected is he to his batallion already?
3. Will the spring semester give him some breathing room from football?
4. Would he be losing anything in his acadmecs/career by "the D3 school" he is considering? Or would he gain something?
5. Would he be giving up anything academically or career wise in the military to pursue football?

I don't need the answers, but he should be able to answer these. He definitely needs to talk to his cadre. And I get the sports thing, it is hard to let it go, but he will be letting it go soon enough whether it is now or in 3 more years. I realize he is probably not playing much being a walk on, and the lure of going D3 and playing is probably part of it. I have two playing D1 sports next year, and that is their single focus besides the education, and they are both worried it will be too hard, so I cannot imagine how distracting this is for him adding in ROTC too. The difference for them will be their sport is paying for their education, where ROTC is paying for his. I guess my bottom line is, what is best for his education and his career should come first, and then decide if football works in, without it paying for his education it would be hard for me to advocate for giving up anything else in the education, career or even social aspect of a college choice. Just my two cents, and none of my business, but thinking you probably wanted our opinions since you asked! We struggle with our oldest (MS1) not being able to say no to opportunities and wanting to do it all, so I do get how difficult this is, good luck to you both!

*edit- also remember ROTC will get more demanding as the years go on. I do know there are cadets/athletes who have made it work, so not trying negative, just saying there is a opportunity cost to every decision and this is a big one. Good luck.
 
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Dckc88 said:
I am sure he does. Like any parent a ton of questions comes to my mind, that I would want to know the answer too.

1. How much of a good academic/social fit is the current school?
2. How connected is he to his batallion already?
3. Will the spring semester give him some breathing room from football?
4. Would he be losing anything in his acadmecs/career by "the D3 school" he is considering? Or would he gain something?
5. Would he be giving up anything academically or career wise in the military to pursue football?

I don't need the answers, but he should be able to answer these. He definitely needs to talk to his cadre. And I get the sports thing, it is hard to let it go, but he will be letting it go soon enough whether it is now or in 3 more years. I realize he is probably not playing much being a walk on, and the lure of going D3 and playing is probably part of it. I have two playing D1 sports next year, and that is their single focus besides the education, and they are both worried it will be too hard, so I cannot imagine how distracting this is for him adding in ROTC too. The difference for them will be their sport is paying for their education, where ROTC is paying for his. I guess my bottom line is, what is best for his education and his career should come first, and then decide if football works in, without it paying for his education it would be hard for me to advocate for giving up anything else in the education, career or even social aspect of a college choice. Just my two cents, and none of my business, but thinking you probably wanted our opinions since you asked! We struggle with our oldest (MS1) not being able to say no to opportunities and wanting to do it all, so I do get how difficult this is, good luck to you both!

*edit- also remember ROTC will get more demanding as the years go on. I do know there are cadets/athletes who have made it work, so not trying negative, just saying there is a opportunity cost to every decision and this is a big one. Good luck.
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Thanks for the thoughtful input! I think he now realizes that the sports will end eventually. I'm probably the one struggling with it more. Take care.
 
Also he is competing for an active duty slot. He will be ranked. If the military continues to draw down, those active slots will become fewer. Academic and military performance matter.
 
blaisers99 said:
Thanks for the thoughtful input! I think he now realizes that the sports will end eventually. I'm probably the one struggling with it more. Take care.
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I understand!!!! It means our babies are growing up. Sports have been such a big part of all of our kiddos childhood, letting go is difficult.

One thing that I have found with my oldest who is also an MS1, is not doing sports she has already been able to be involved with a lot more in college, specifically with ROTC that she would not of been able to do with sports. And each year, the ROTC commitment gets more not less. Hopefully he can come to a decision that he feels good about.
 
Varsity college athletics do award OML points, but maintaining a good GPA is vital for active duty. Look at Cadet Plumlee playing basketball at Duke University. He is a poster child for all of Cadet Command. The Army loves Scholar, Athlete and Leaders.

In this situation, I believe your son needs to follow his heart. If he's lost his love for football or loves the army over football, the choice is easy. That being said, doing both is always an option too.

I truly believe any Academic All Conference football player would make active duty. Requirements for Academic All Conference are a letter winner and 3.0 cumulative GPA.
 
Freshman DS transferred in between his fall and spring semester from the college where he was awarded a 3 yr scholarship, to a new school in his home state. He asked the ROTC leadership at the old school if they would support his transfer of the scholarship and they said yes. He contacted his new school's ROTC program and they said they would support a transfer of his scholarship to the new school. They began this process in December and son has still not heard anything from either ROTC unit about the transfer. Does anyone know how this process works and if he should have heard anything by now. Thank you.
 
blaisers99 said:
They began this process in December and son has still not heard anything from either ROTC unit about the transfer. Does anyone know how this process works and if he should have heard anything by now. Thank you.
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Who is "they?" The ROO or PMS? At the old college or new college?

I would start with the receiving college Cadre and contact the ROO for advice. I think this ROO has more motivation to gain your DS as a cadet. The process might be held up in Kentucky at Cadet Command.

Hopefully @clarksonarmy or @MohawkArmyROTC (both ROO's) might chime in with more clear advice.
 
What do you mean by they started the process? Did they actually do anything more than saying they support his transfer? If the losing school didn't submit anything, then the gaining school can submit a scholarship transfer request through their BDE to Cadet Command. Cadet Command may or may not approve it. Some factors involved are the difference in cost, his GPA, and major. If they don't approve the transfer, then the gaining school could give him one of their campus based scholarships (if they want to).

The easiest way to see if anything has been done, is for his cadre to check in CCIMM to see if he has any pending cadet actions. There is a log there to show where the paperwork is currently located and its status. The ROO and HRA at the current school should be the one that he is working with.
 
MohawkArmyROTC said:
What do you mean by they started the process? Did they actually do anything more than saying they support his transfer? If the losing school didn't submit anything, then the gaining school can submit a scholarship transfer request through their BDE to Cadet Command. Cadet Command may or may not approve it. Some factors involved are the difference in cost, his GPA, and major. If they don't approve the transfer, then the gaining school could give him one of their campus based scholarships (if they want to).

The easiest way to see if anything has been done, is for his cadre to check in CCIMM to see if he has any pending cadet actions. There is a log there to show where the paperwork is currently located and its status. The ROO and HRA at the current school should be the one that he is working with.
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They is the the LtCol in charge of the unit at the new school. He was working with the LtCol at the old school who said would support the transfer. Supposedly in December the new unit was submitting something because my son needed to complete a 104r for the new school and take a PT test before he enrolled in January. The LtCol is usually on another campus and DS is trying not to hound him and I'm wondering if we should be concerned.
 
Your son should not be going directly to the PMS for follow ups on a scholarship transfer request. That is a good way to ruffle some feathers, especially if he is not utilizing the chain of command. He should speak to the HRA at his program. The HRA is the Human Resources Army Civilian who would be the one that actually tracks and processes the paperwork. The HRA would know what was done.
 
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