40% of class are re-applicants!
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There was a lot of speculation in this video…we “believe.” I’d be curious what factual information is available to go out on a limb to say this. I skimmed portions of the video…but unless it referenced “we spoke to USNA admissions and they confirmed…” I’m going to be a bit skeptical until official stats are released. Also the notion that a candidate is in college and they “stole” a high school applicant spot (because they were not close) is also very speculative. If someone can show me an exact formula that spits out who a good student and leader (conjunction) is, then admissions wouldn’t have much work to do because a computer would do it all…it’s why an admissions board reviews the packages to look at the whole person.
The irony of this…once had a LTC (Army known for their operational research) tell me stats can always be calculated/arranged to tell the story someone wants to.
Certainly possible the % might be higher (it’s normally around 30%…with about 2/3rds from NAPS/Foundation and 1/3 from regular college/university), but whether it’s 40%, need more authoritative information.
The irony of this…once had a LTC (Army known for their operational research) tell me stats can always be calculated/arranged to tell the story someone wants to.
Certainly possible the % might be higher (it’s normally around 30%…with about 2/3rds from NAPS/Foundation and 1/3 from regular college/university), but whether it’s 40%, need more authoritative information.
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I would expect the percentage isn't nearly that high.
You are either qualified or not. Let's remember that when they fill out a class, they are choosing candidates whom they think will be able to excel at the Academy and go on to be good officers in the Fleet and Corps. Making officers is the only thing they are interested in.
All candidates have to make sure that they put forward the best application. For many candidates, that begins in Middle School. I say this because establishing good study habits and getting great grades doesn't just start in 9th grade. Since they are only looking at 9th, 10th, and 11th grade transcripts from HS candidates, those grades have to be strong. Re-applicants have a good chance (not a necessarily a better chance) at making it in, because they have that 12th grade transcript under their belts and have established that they can "make it" in college after their first year.
Everyone who gets an offer is "highly-qualified" and no one cares what path was taken to get there.
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Class of 2027 Snapshot:
EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND
The Class of 2027 includes 305 (26%) from college and post-high
school preparatory programs which include:
▪ 209 from Naval Academy Prep School in Newport, RI
▪ 47 from the U.S. Naval Academy Foundation and Civilian
Preparatory Programs
▪ 46 additional students have completed at least one semester of
study at a college or university, or post-secondary prep school
Class of 2026 Snapshot:
EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND
The Class of 2026 includes 336 (28%) from college and post-high
school preparatory programs which include:
▪ 195 from Naval Academy Prep School in Newport, RI
▪ 44 from the U.S. Naval Academy Foundation and Civilian
Preparatory Programs
▪ 97 additional students have completed at least one semester of
study at a college or university, or post-secondary prep school
EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND
The Class of 2025 includes 383 (32%) from college and post-high
school preparatory programs which include:
▪ 210 from Naval Academy Prep School in Newport, RI
▪ 43 from the U.S. Naval Academy Foundation and Civilian
Preparatory Programs
▪ 130 additional students have completed at least one semester of
study at a college, university, or post-secondary prep school
Class of 2024
EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND:
The Class of 2024 includes 337 (28%) from college and post high school preparatory programs, which include:
- 198 from Naval Academy Preparatory School (NAPS) in Newport, R.I.
- 46 from the U.S. Naval Academy Foundation Program/Civilian Prep Program
- 82 students have completed at least six months of study at a college or university, and 11 at a post-secondary prep school
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The data above has all been released by either USNA or Naval Academy Alumni Assn, using USNA data. We will eventually see Class of 2028’s “snapshot” or “profile” or “portrait.” Earlier years follow the same pattern.
Of course, some of those numbers are not reapplicants - they did not apply out of HS and applied for the first time from college. I suspect the actual % is a few points lower for actual reapplicants.
I would be very surprised if the percentage trended above 40%.
I am also not particularly worried about it. There is an upper limit on age to apply, which gives USNA a legitimate window to accept candidates at 17 right out of high school or some years later up to the upper age limit. Some reapplying candidates need a bit more time to hit full bloom, and they enrich the class with maturity and wider experience - proving their determination and grit in putting themselves through the process again. High quality candidates abound whether direct from HS or reapplying
The goal is to pack the class with top-notch appointees who can live up to the mission of USNA and service to the nation - whether they got in on first try or last possible try should not matter. And it doesn’t.
This question surfaces every so often and part of the math depends on how you count those attending NAPS. If you applied to USNA while in h.s. and got selected for NAPS..........do you count that as 'right out of h.s.' or in the 'post h.s.' category? Many times these statistics seem to relate to whatever bias the author has or is trying to make a point about something.
Samjarrett
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Listen, As a highschool senior. There is nothing wrong with being a reapplicant. I have no Idea why people are angry at that. Their not taking your highschoolers spot if they were not as competitive as the college/ NAPS student. If you can't beat them join them and reapply next year.
NAPS, Foundation, or an extra year of college can pretty much only benefit you at USNA.
I've seen a decent amout of applicants/ parents getting angry at the reapplicants.
I rest my case
NAPS, Foundation, or an extra year of college can pretty much only benefit you at USNA.
I've seen a decent amout of applicants/ parents getting angry at the reapplicants.
I rest my case
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If you go to NAPS, a Foundation school, or even just attend a community/regular college after graduating and you applied once before, you are considered a re-applicant. It really doesn't matter in the big picture. What matters is if you earn an appointment or not for the class, not the path it took you to get there.
Hell, I was a "H.S.-turned-down-re-applicant-from-active-duty-in-another-military-branch-NAPS-appointee" when I got my appointment. Only thing that mattered once I-Day started was that I was just another Plebe for c/o '96.
Hell, I was a "H.S.-turned-down-re-applicant-from-active-duty-in-another-military-branch-NAPS-appointee" when I got my appointment. Only thing that mattered once I-Day started was that I was just another Plebe for c/o '96.
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You are the very definition of "So you're telling me there's a chance"
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I was talking to my son about something with reapplicants last week.
He said the reapplicants are admired at the Academy. They tend to be more mature in their class, they can validate more classes, and make good teammates throughout the process.
He said the reapplicants are admired at the Academy. They tend to be more mature in their class, they can validate more classes, and make good teammates throughout the process.
I think Capt MJ nailed the data everyone needs to look at. Yes, there is a large portion of every class that are ‘re-applicants’. When you remove NAPS and Foundation, that number is not very large. The part of the data we do not have is how many applied versus how many were appointed. How many started the app and then decided I am happy where I am?
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And unfortunately they'll probably never publish that data. However, I will say that admissions says they look for reapplicants that took plebe like classes and succeeded. So we can at least say that reapplicants are looked upon favorably. Especially if they did well at college and took the time to improve things like CFA and SAT.
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I would not take that as gospel. They have no pure/solid facts or intell on the class of 28. No one does other than USNA admissions. That YouTube Channel is run by their for-profit consulting business. They are guessing and posting for views, to drum up business ($400 - $8000) I suspect. I suspect there is a certain level of 'click-bait' involved as well. Whenever I see for profit 'How to get in' consultants, whether for a service academy or regular college it leaves a really a bad taste with me and it feels like they prey on folks and their strong emotions to attend said institutions.
There is so much free & good info available from academies, forums like this, B&G officers, admissions....
Seeing @Capt MJ 's facts, I'd guess that 40% would be high....
Sam, I’d send you an loa based on this post alone!
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Good read-----"How to Lie with Statistics" written by Darrell Huff and published in 2010