Academic Board and Setbacks

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  1. kpcapecod

    kpcapecod New Member

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    Does anyone have advice for Plebe who faces Academic Board due to 2 failed classes and is referred for separation ? HE DOES NOT WANT TO LEAVE ! First few weeks were rough, uncertain on commitment, etc. As a result struggled through Physics and Calc but never caught up despite help from instructors. He has heard all the rumors about no setbacks with RADM Green and feels that there's no hope. What advice can I pass on to him besides writing a statement on his commitment and desire to remain, asking for a chance to prove himself ? Who is there for him to talk to for advice ?
     
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    Capecod:

    I sent you a PM.
     
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    kpbaseballmom - I sent you a PM.
     
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    kpcapecod New Member

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    did you mean to send this to KPcapecod (i had the question about setbacks) rather than kpbaseballmom ?
     
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    KPCapecod,

    I sent you a PM.
     
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    kpcapecod New Member

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    I did not see a pm from you KPParent2014 ?
     
  7. jasperdog

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    Okay so the first thing is the advice offered in response at the other by KPEngineer:

    is a good place to start, IMO.

    In addition - the first thing that has to be addressed, if he really wants to stay, is:
    Your son needs to resolve at this point to not give up until his options for staying are fully exhausted. As KPEngineer noted, he needs to step back and figure out what hes learned over the past 16 weeks as to what he needs to do and what additional changes he'll need to make in order to successfully graduate if he's given a second chance. Odds are whether you believe it or not he probably already knows what he needs to do differently and he also knows that at this point in time because of his failing two classes the decision as to whether he gets another chance is indeed basically in the hands of Dean Kumar and Admiral Green. The area of that decision that is subjective on their part will no doubt be affected by how maturely and resolutely your DS approaches these next couple of weeks and what he puts in his letter to them for his appeal. Specifics on what he will do differently and how he will a) change his behaviors and make up the failed classes if he is allowed to return for the Second Trimester, as well as commitments from tutors to help him, etc to ensure he doesn't fail any other classes during the second trimester and as noted how and where he'll get the time to ensure that happens (abandoning various extra-curricular activities until his grades are back into a safe area (2.5 or above), etc. I'd also recommend he have a detailed plan on what he would do relative to attending a local college and retaking the courses he failed, etc. and taking a relatively full course load for the remainder of this academic year if he is offered a setback - including details that show he's actually identified where he'd go and when those courses are offered.

    I wish your son all the good thoughts in the world in his quest to remain at the USMMA, no doubt because of the large size of the 2014 entering class the rigor of this process may be more than some past years. That said these are not heartless people who don't understand how tough the challenges are and the transition from high school to a top level of college academics crammed into what is basically a 14 week semester. However, they have multiple things to now consider when looking at each individual case before them and deciding how to define and apply the standards. That said while there is now only so much that remains in your DS own hands, one thing that does remain so is how throughly and energetically they ready themselves and approach their upcoming review board. Abandoning all hope and throwing themselves on the "mercy of the court" isn't likely to be a way to go; nor is pointing out how they are now committed to doing well, while in the past they were trying decide if they truly wanted to be at KP without additional specific actions and plans.

    Finally, all those specifics need to be put on paper in a well written, 100% grammatically correct, error free letter to the Superintendent and the Dean. I'm talking one that is in total accord with the MLA handbook, etc.

    Again - best of luck.
     
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    kpcapecod New Member

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    thank you for the information Jasperdog... 2 questions: to whom other than his mentor,who may or may not be helpful enough, should/could he talk to for advice or guidance ? Not sure what he's been able to find out and if he has all of the necessary pieces...
    and how long does this whole process take before a decision is made ?
     
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    Unfortunately, I don't know the specific answers to your questions, I would start with his mentor but I belive there is likely someone more knowledgeable on these specific subjects with the responsibility of providing it to the affected members of the regiment on either the Commandant's or Dean's Staff your son can go to for additional advice and a clear understanding of all the specific pieces/steps of the process and the likely timeline.

    For some unknown reason I thought the time between the end of the prior trimester and the actual review board with the Admiral was on the order of 1-2 weeks, so whatever he does I am of course recommending he not wait to do it and he approach thing proactively. This isn't won't be news like fine wine - it won't get better or even much different with age.
     
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    PM

    KPcapecod- sent you a PM
     
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    kp2001 USMMA Alumnus

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    Company Academic Officer

    Every company has one, if your plebe doesn't know/hasn't met with them yet they should already be standing outside their door. Their job is academics, they should know the answers to many questions or at least where to get the answer.
     
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    failed two subjects

    Plebe failed two subjects and is just waiting around to see whats next. Plebe wants to stay. Is there something plebe can do?
     
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    Sent you PM
     
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    Thank you very much......DO all the plebes who failed two subjects go in front of the board?
     
  15. KPEngineer

    KPEngineer Eternal Father ...

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    I would definitely start with the CAO. I don't know what the Academic Officers of today are like, what if any training they receive and what they know and don't know. When I was a mid when they were first coming into being, they were just the people with the highest GPAs. My point is that if they don't have any insight beyond that your DD/DS has to write a letter then said DD/DS needs to find someone who can help them with what to put IN the letter.

    If my grey matter is still somewhat functioning as to what the specifics were back before the turn of the century ...
    1 F was Academic Probation
    2 Fs was Referred for ??? - Don't recall the word but it was usually a choice between Setback or Double Secret Probation
    3 Fs was Referred for Disnerollment - there was still a chance for leniency and a Setback, but most were Disenrolled

    My advice to anyone facing any kind of Academic issues ... start shedding extra curricular activities before they tell you you have to, find a tutor before they tell you you have to and put it all in your letter. Not having a plan is planning to fail.
     
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    "Writing a letter"

    Thank you for all of the replies and advice. I see much mention of "writing a letter" and still am not sure but assume that this is part of the appeal process after having talked with the Academic Board ?? some time this week ?? Anyone know what the progression of "events" is ?

    As a parent, sitting at home in the dark, waiting to hear more news is the hardest part, as is not knowing what exactly the whole process involves or if he'll have any choices.
     
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    kpcapecod New Member

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    Buster

    sounds like our Plebes are in the same "boat"... having failed 2 classes.

    I am sending you a PM
     
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    Academic review board?

    Has any one heard anything from their DS or DD?
     
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    kpcapecod New Member

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    buster and 1goodboy
    sent you a pm
     
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    I think Jasperdog hit the nail on the head with what the real problem is. No one knows who to go to for help or support. I hope the new guy
    (Adm. Green) realizes that KP's job is to train leaders and will put a system in place for the staff to take that responsibility as seriously as the students need to. I have heard that at least one professor brags about failing over half his class. Clearly this professor has lost sight of what his job is, teaching!
     

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