AFA application point values

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pv123

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Where might we find the point values given for AFA applications? Any charts showing how many points for Boys/Girls State, CAP, PPL, interview, etc?
 
pv123 said:
Where might we find the point values given for AFA applications? Any charts showing how many points for Boys/Girls State, CAP, PPL, interview, etc?
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I used a book called "Gain Air Force Academy Admission" by Robert Kirkland. However, it is not presented by Usafa itself, so don't trust that this is how admissions calculate candidate points.
 
blueskies18 said:
I used a book called "Gain Air Force Academy Admission" by Robert Kirkland. However, it is not presented by Usafa itself, so don't trust that this is how admissions calculate candidate points.
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thanks...yea, Author is an older West Point grad charging for SA admission consulting and has been banned from these forums :)
 
pv123 said:
thanks...yea, Author is an older West Point grad charging for SA admission consulting and has been banned from these forums :)
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Why? Because he is trying to get money? Or he did something wrong?
 
You won't find a "listing" of the values of any "things" that you put on your application. USAFA/RRS does NOT release their algorithm for admissions. Years ago I could tell you what your score would be for the CFA but they removed those numbers probably 15-20 years ago. Now...nothing is "in the public venue." It's all proprietary, FOUO at least.

Don't worry about it...build the best "all around" package you can.

Steve
USAFA ALO
USAFA '83
 
If you want to burn energy, procrastinate the Tuesday after Memorial Day weekend, then read on.....i'm trying to be veeery quiet while DD takes her GRE! Surfing SAF and bogleheads instead!

To my knowledge there isn't anything public on point-per-bubble, and even if there was it wouldn't matter because of the Selection Composite which is subjective. Put another way, againt an equally weighted hard-stat candidate, why will they chose you? What else have you got (again, my 3 So-What's). But, there is a ton of information you can slice and dice to your heart's content, and overlay your own subjective rating system! Gather your materials: Google USAFA Form 147 (an old scantron version is out there, expiry 2004-12-31!), USAFA Rand Study and bookmark Figure 2.1 after page 7 (pdf page 28/95), and the USMA Rand Study, pages 8-14 (pdf 24-28), esp page 10 (pdf 26), and whatever years you can get on Class profiles. Even though you're looking at 2 SAs and somewhat dated reports, it's about as much as you can get!

Opinons only!
*Could be outdated, or not!
*Never hurts to max CFA elements, in the past, and DD's experience, you can score over 600 for USMA. How USAFA views - no one knows, but far better to just max a few or all elements, rather than doing a Marlon Brando coulda been a contender about why you didn't.
*Math score counts twice. You can believe me or not. My source is a ppt slide for a PA region Academy Day presented by ALO.
*Notice the OTHER category and references to Elaborate, please! I'm sure USFAFA couldn't care less about DD's Art Museum immersion for Art's sake. However, DD made sure on her 2 page applications to highlight this particular activity, as she has significant leadership, group and individual accomplishments, and so the qualities exhibited, progression from member to leader, first-ever's, major things for the community, etc were the Show Me Qualities to support "Why Should We Bring Her to the Brigade/WIng".
 
Athletics. Academics. Leadership. All three in large and equal parts. Look at the application and you see checkboxes for specific items that clearly carry weight, however, test scores, interviews, essays, and CFA all matter when putting together a class representing the country. Although I'm sure there are points on the board, it is a bit more holistic than that. For example, if the top 1200 scored applications were from Virginia, not all 1200 would get appointments. Classes are built, not just put together in rank order from a blind score. Then there is the nomination process which is a whole different subject.
 
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HCopter said:
If you want to burn energy, procrastinate the Tuesday after Memorial Day weekend, then read on.....i'm trying to be veeery quiet while DD takes her GRE! Surfing SAF and bogleheads instead!

To my knowledge there isn't anything public on point-per-bubble, and even if there was it wouldn't matter because of the Selection Composite which is subjective. Put another way, againt an equally weighted hard-stat candidate, why will they chose you? What else have you got (again, my 3 So-What's). But, there is a ton of information you can slice and dice to your heart's content, and overlay your own subjective rating system! Gather your materials: Google USAFA Form 147 (an old scantron version is out there, expiry 2004-12-31!), USAFA Rand Study and bookmark Figure 2.1 after page 7 (pdf page 28/95), and the USMA Rand Study, pages 8-14 (pdf 24-28), esp page 10 (pdf 26), and whatever years you can get on Class profiles. Even though you're looking at 2 SAs and somewhat dated reports, it's about as much as you can get!

Opinons only!
*Could be outdated, or not!
*Never hurts to max CFA elements, in the past, and DD's experience, you can score over 600 for USMA. How USAFA views - no one knows, but far better to just max a few or all elements, rather than doing a Marlon Brando coulda been a contender about why you didn't.
*Math score counts twice. You can believe me or not. My source is a ppt slide for a PA region Academy Day presented by ALO.
*Notice the OTHER category and references to Elaborate, please! I'm sure USFAFA couldn't care less about DD's Art Museum immersion for Art's sake. However, DD made sure on her 2 page applications to highlight this particular activity, as she has significant leadership, group and individual accomplishments, and so the qualities exhibited, progression from member to leader, first-ever's, major things for the community, etc were the Show Me Qualities to support "Why Should We Bring Her to the Brigade/WIng".
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Awesome! I'm a researchaholic, so will lookup your resources. Thanks.
 
T-37IP said:
Athletics. Academics. Leadership. All three in large and equal parts. Look at the application and you see checkboxes for specific items that clearly carry weight, however, test scores, interviews, essays, and CFA all matter when putting together a class representing the country. Although I'm sure there are points on the board, it is a bit more holistic than that. For example, if the top 1200 scored applications were from Virginia, not all 1200 would get appointments. Classes are built, not just put together in rank order from a blind score. Then there is the nomination process which is a whole different subject.
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Great points
 
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