AFROTC Rated Board Question?

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  1. BoneDust

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    So I just got back from Field Training and unfortunately I wasn't ranked as high as I thought. I'm wondering how competitive I am for the board this winter and what I could do to make myself more competitive this semester. I'm hoping for Pilot.

    PCSM: 63
    CGPA: 3.44
    CC Ranking:??
    FT Ranking: Bottom 1/3
    PFA: 94

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Pima

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    Do you have any flight hours? Is this PCSM score using the AFOQT or TBAS?

    If you have no flight hours than get some to raise your score, it can also help with your TBAS exam because you will have more flight experience.

    The bottom 1/3 is going to hurt, but if your cgpa is tech than that should help your chances...not so much if you are non-tech.

    I don't know what the avg PCSM 2.0 is now, I would suggest looking at baseops.net to see. Remember that it might be high enough for rated, yet on the low end so you could land up getting whatever is the least competitive, probably ABM.

    The problem is your board selection for SFT required many cadets to sign the rated paperwork, so nobody knows how large this board is going to be for your yr. group compared to how many rated slots will be available.

    OBTW this is the current breakdown for rated scoring:
    RSS (CC) -20%
    CGPA -10%
    PFT - 15%
    FT - 15%
    PCSM - 40%
     
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  3. vamom

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    Pima, thank you. I had not been able to find the new breakdown on Baseops. That's quite a change in the CC from 50% to 20%.
     
  4. Pima

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    It really is down in the bowels BC that breakdown was released back in 2013.

    The reasoning for the drop is that for IFS and flight training it has come to their attention that how well you march or how much your CC likes you there is no correlation to being able to handle the stick, especially if your CC is not rated. The amount of flight hours OTOH does have correlation, thus why flight hours under PCSM 2.0 increased.
    ~ The writing actually was on the wall before the change when they started the program of skipping IFS if the student had a PPL. That too took place in 13, about the same time it was announced of thePCSM changed.

    I believe the 15 year group is the first to have 2.0 used for selection. They grandfathered 14 in under the 1.0 system.

    This years board will also be interesting BC for the 1st time the AFA cadets must submit the same way as AFROTC and OCS....all 4 options.
     
  5. Zero

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    Bonedust,

    If you look at the past averages you are competitive for both a rated slot in general, and pilot itself. This late in the game however, there is really only one thing you can change, your PFT score. You got a 94, max it out. You may be able to adjust your gpa depending on when your dets cutoff is if you do really well this fall, but you might not make the cutoff with transcripts. Your commanders ranking is out of your control, as is now your FT ranking. Just remember the order of merit breakdown, FT ranking is minor you automatically get about half the points even in bottom third, so you've lost a few points at best. Control what you can control, ex. GPA and PFT score.

    As far as your chances go? Nobody knows they can only rate you against last years board, which you would have been competitive. Not sure what your degree is but honestly it does not matter, Tech vs Non-tech was separated by only a few %, GPA matters more.

    For rated selection put some thought into going CSO or RPA as well, you may not get pilot first selection, but CSO is also doable, and you can always climb the chain if you perform well in the rated world. As far as last year, you did not have to select all 4 rated (Pilot, RPA, CSO, ABM) you could void out anything you did not want with a 0. It was ranked high, med, low, none, and you met those boards in the order you ranked and as I listed them, Pilot > RPA > CSO > ABM. So if you put zero on RPA and ABM, you only go up for the Pilot and CSO board, put high on both because you meet the pilot board first, if you do not get it they put you up for CSO. All of this only depends on if they use the same system as last year.
     
  6. Zero

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    Also, what was your AFOQT pilot score? and if you have no flight hours get at least 6, puts you into tier 2 for pilot score boost.
     
  7. Pima

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    Zero,

    Please link your info BC according to posters on this site and baseops.net the chose only one option disappeared at least 4 years ago, and the way it works now is you MUST place all 4 options on the list. Yes I get the high, med., low or none aspect, but that doesn't mean they care about your rank. Plus, under your gaming system if you do not get selected, and according to other links, it is all over for the rest of your AF career regarding rated. See below for our CSO friend.
    ~ AFA announced this year that they too will follow the AFROTC and OCS rated boards with all 4 being mandatory on the applicants list.
    ~ Our friend's DS did that and guess what he got? RPA.
    ~ Another that went OCS, did the pilot only gaming and he got CSO. {He is at UNT currently).He placed only pilot, called and said what the Heck? I said only pilot. They told him take it or don't, but if you don't we will never board you again for any rated slot. As I stated he is now at UNT.
    ~~~ The problem with your theory is by playing the game you can end up with whatever the AF wants which depends on their needs and your OML. You met the board, and they decided to give you a rated slot, just not one you ever wanted. That is how it works.There is no more I only will take...it is you wanted to go rated, accept it.

    Additionally, this years SFT candidates were forced to declare their intentions and told flat out that if you are non-tech your chances will decrease exponentially if they do not sign the I am going rated paperwork. That can mean the pool grew exponentially regarding cadets that were on the fence. My assumed guess is it will be much larger than previous years....and yes I know what assume means.

    I would also point out that the new system is PCSM 2.0. The SFT ranking is 15%, but the RSS aka CoC dropped to 20%. I highly doubt that a CoC with more applicants can offset that bottom 1/3 ranking. No offense OP, but I am not sure they would rank you high enough to offset it after being informed from a national ranking at SFT you were the top of their class, unless you have a very small unit, and few wanting rated.

    I do agree get the PFT up and try to get in enough hours to get some points.
     
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  8. vamom

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    Pima, just to clarify, '15 and beyond will be subject to these weightings for bot rated and non-rated, correct?
     
  9. Pima

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    NO.
    ~ OBTW rated 15 already have their slots, it is 16 that is the ????

    As it has worked in the past, it was rated results were released Mar 300 yr. Non-rated released Oct 400 year.

    PCSM is for rated only. TBAS is given to only rated applicants, AFOQT is for non-rated.
    ~ baseops is a flying oriented forum, do not use this formula that I used. Just an assumption, but I would think for non-rated it will be closer to SFT breakdown, regarding the CoC, and if memory serves me the AFOQT is at 20% (PCSM 40%) and CoC is 40%...flipped.

    Nick4060 is probably the best poster to ask for non-rated, especially for your DS since he is an alumni of VT.

    Now for what is occurring for FY15 rated boards(16 grads), nobody knows. There are many posters saying that their CoCs have told them that the rated and non-rated will meet simultaneously and it will be all out release like the AFA.
    ~ IOWS, don't make rated you immediately will be boarded for non-rated
    ~~ My cranium still hurts from that idea when you understand for AFROTC they list 4 rated positions, and non-rated, I believe it is 3 AFSCs. If all SFT cadets go up that is 2000 that HQ AFROTC is racking and stacking, with at least 800+ rated slots. Just assume 1100 signed the I will apply rated, so now, you have to re-work them at the same exact same time.
    ~~~ Thought March/Apr/May delay for SFT this year was bad, I think if they do one board that delay will be a cake walk.
    ~~~~ Remember if they do it in the fall of 400 for rated, they are going to have to get the AFA numbers in order too with the new 4 rated option. Years passed, AFROTC cadets knew their rated slot before AFA cadets. DS found out Mar 300 aka C2C AFA. AFA for the same year group found out the exact same time as non-rated 400s in AFROTC...Oct.

    Like I said before, this is a whole new aspect. Nobody with a brain larger than a pea should give any :thumb: or :thumbdown: regarding chances for rated. You have too many new factors...PCSM 2.0 for rated, when the boar will meet, how this ANG/Res impact the class of 14...i.e. opening up ADAF
    positions.

    Sorry, but hold on for a rollercoaster ride that will last at least 8 months if you are the commissioning class of 16.
     
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  10. Zero

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    Pima,

    You may be going off what someone else said or their son said, having actually been part of the rated board and getting my slot this year if you put zero or none on any category you did NOT get put up for it aka zero ABM and the order of the boards was posted above, that being said you COULD eliminate any option in FY15 board, if you choose to eliminate and do not get picked up you just do not get a rated slot. There were 4 separate boards that met in succession.

    Nobody knows if that will continue to the upcoming 300's but that's the way it was for 400s. I was one of them. If you get the high/med/low/none aspect then none = no board. AFA and OTS this last year were different than rotc apparently, they did not get to choose like we did, also nor did the FY14 rated, they had to list everything and went up for all four position boards. If needed I can dig up the sheet somewhere, we got copies for our record.

    As far as rated selects go nearly everyone who put rated was selected for FY15, at least for some type of rated slot. As far as you tech/non-tech. Look at the rated selection rate, 60%, for FT participation, tech rate was 65.5%, the rated rate is 5.5% lower..., and all of those cadets intend, to go rated, they do not have to.
     
  11. Zero

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    Anywho, to get this thread back on topic, you should be competitive, fix what you can, gpa/pft, with a 94 you can max it out, you have a month or two to work on it.
     
  12. S72004

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    Hey Bonedust,

    I am a 5 year major that will be competing for Rated Boards this year as well.
    That 63 PCSM is pretty good, I am assuming you have flight hours.

    A cadet in my det (non 5 year major, standard 4 year) was awarded a Pilot slot with a 35 PCSM. The national averages of the last board are as follows:

    865 applicants (Implied) 461 Pilots, 75 RPAs, 116 CSOs, and 37 ABMs. National average pilot PCSM was 57.1. National average cumulative GPA is 3.26.

    Although you're PFA can use some improvement, I feel that you are pretty competitive. (Remember that Commanders Ranking is 20%, so try to get your name out there and do the best you can!)
     

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