AFROTC - reboarded for a 4th time?

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  1. falconfamily

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    Anyone else in this boat? I was just told by the AFROTC ALO that my DS is being reboarded a 4th time. I remember being told that people are typically boarded no more than twice and a third board is a rareity. I guess this is better than a flat out decline or denial, but I am concerned that this is some sort of error...
     
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  2. Blackbird

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    DS has been boarded Dec, Jan, and Feb but it is difficult to tell his status since the AFROTC website doesn't change when they push you to the next board and you have been reboarded before. Last time we called Maxwell. I guess we will wait to the end of next week and then call Maxwell again. . .
     
  3. falconfamily

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    Yeah, this is just a strange year. Especially since I was told they NEVER board more than 3 times. I guess it is just super competitive. If I hear anything I'll be sure to post it. Best to you!
     
  4. vamom

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    I'm not sure if this is relevant because I am a new mom to this site and a first-time service academy applicant mom. BUT....I was told by DS's liaison that he was boarded in Feb and to look for something in the mail on March 12th. Since he stated "He was boarded" and "look for something in the mail"....I assumed (ha!) that that meant that we would definitely find out what the results of that board were on March 12th. Is this an accurate supposition or not? How stressful this all is! Our DD applied early decision to W&M so we NEVER went through the slightest stress and then THIS! :)
     
  5. falconfamily

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    Hi VA:

    I just want to be clear that your are talking about an academy appointment versus an AFROTC scholarship. My guess is that we should be hearing very soon from the AFA. But if you are thinking about AFROTC scholarships they release results online after about 2 weeks from the board and follow with a letter. There are four boards a year with AFROTC and if it is true that my DS will meet the March board, he would have been boarded a forth time. Not sure about this....

    In any case, welcome to the thread!
     
  6. Pima

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    Welcome VA,

    I am a little confused like falcon that you might be merging the two different boards.

    I am not sure how your DS's ALO can tell you to look for a letter around the 12th if it is the AFA, because the way the AFA system works. For ex: you can meet the board in Feb., but if 3 candidates on his slate have yet to meet the board to get a WCS, than that MOC can't be charged. CAVEAT: If that WCS is so high to be at the top for the NWL that you would make the cut regardless of the MOC slate they may still send out the apptmt.

    Usually, though that decision is made quickly. If you notice on the AFA thread Class of 15, many who made that cut already got the BFE. Basically, the apptmts that go out, go out on Wed., that means today and tomorrow BFE's will be showing up. Next week they will send a new batch. With the announcement that the AFA will be offering 300 less this yr, these waves will be critical.

    That being stated, I would take it as a good sign, because he may have insight that it is coming, just due to mass mailing he will be in batch #2. Notice the 12th is a Friday, and they go out on Wed.


    Now if this is an AFROTC thing, I have to go with Falcon, because the Feb results have been released, thus, he may have stated to you he met the board, and look for a letter, but it could be like Falcon, where the letter states: at this time....will meet the March board.

    The positive is that it means they need more time. It can be that they are looking to determine between Type 1, 2 or 7.

    I have a funky feeling that falcon's kid is stuck in between that 1 and 2. This is the 1st yr I have seen so many applicants re-boarded. It is a sign to me that they have a very high caliber of candidates, and this isn't going to be a huge WCS pt spread between the highest WCS for type 1 and the lowest that gets type 7.

    There are many posters who will also tell you that it is also not uncommon to be rejected by AFROTC and apptd to the AFA.

    Just the system.

    Good luck.

    Falcon, what kind of wine do you like, or are you now at the point of just pure alcohol? PM me with your address because you deserve a bottle of your favorite for how many times you have endured this. Just keep chanting...good things come to those that wait...good things come to those that wait!

    Remember in 5 months from now, this will all be comical to you.
     
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  7. vamom

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    Yes, I'm sorry! I should not have said "first time service academy mom" even thought that IS true also! I was replying/referencing Falcon's comment on the 4th reboarding for AFROTC....not AFA! (which, by the way, we are waiting on AFA as well!). But PIMA, I would like to ask you about something that you stated about the Feb board. Has everyone who was offered a scholarship from the Feb board been notified of that? It was my understanding that the results of the FEB board would be released on March 12th. If you are saying that scholarships that were awarded from the FEB board have already been awarded, then I guess I'll assume the DS did NOT get an award from the Feb. board. Can you help me to understand this better? I used to think I was pretty savvy until the ROTC and SA processes entered my life! :) Thanks for all of your words of wisdom!
     
  8. Pima

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    1st off, let me state this CLEARLY, our DS is a C300 AFROTC scholarship recipient so I am not in this today regarding scholarship boards.

    I bend to the knowledge of others who are in the system now, i.e. falcon and others who post intermittently. If they already know that they were re-boarded, it means the results are out.

    There is always a commonality, that they try to contact you before it will show up on the website or in your mailbox. Granted there are snoopy's over the doghouse and they check often, thus, the call or the website might happen before the envelope.

    March 12th if we are talking the AFROTC world will be the hard copy. There is no way to say :thumb: :thumbdown: ALO's have lived the AF life and understand that they can only give limited amount of info out until they are given the clear by the AF. Your child matters to them, put their allegiance is to the AF 1st. If the AF states they got XYZ, but you can't say the result, they won't. They will say, what you heard: met the board, and can expect a letter.

    Don't read into that. It could mean a type 1 or mean "at this time" or mean "We at this time will not..."

    It is insanely hard to go through what you are going through. Trust me in 08 I lived it. However, right now all you can do is live life, and you will regret it if you don't. The reason I say that is in 2 yrs if he goes AFROTC it will be another board for SFT, and if he doesn't get it his scholarship is in jeopardy.

    As soon as you get over that board, it will be 4 weeks of silence while they are there and now how they do there will impact their career goal (AFSC).

    They get home, go back to school and that whole fall semester as a jr is like what you have endured...waiting to see how they rack and stack, but this time it is not about getting money, it is about what they will do for the next 4 yrs (more for rated). Like SFT there is only 1 SHOT out! Everything is on that 1 board.

    They get their AFSC and you think, okay now we can breathe! WRONG! No within a week or so they now tell you that they will go through a new DodMERB physical and this one is 1 full day. Our DS has to fly out to Wright Pat. on the military dime (we are also in VA)..3 days; 1 in, 1 out, leaves 1 day, and here they do EEGs or EKGs. So we will sit in fear for results if the AF will allow him to go to UPT. Here we will not be right outside the door of the docs office.

    We are walking up to that situation in June. From there DS will have 1 more board. UPT bases.

    So in essence, from 08 to 12, DS hit 4 more of these OMG moments that last months.

    If he clears the DodMERB (hopefully he should since we had no waiver issues, but you never know). It still isn't over. It than becomes a yr at UPT, where if he busts a flight they can say Buh BYE. Than it becomes him going to FTU/RTU for that airframe.

    In essence, when all of this is said and done. He started this path in 07 and it will be on a good day 14 when it is done.

    MPO, look at it this way. Right now you are on a wooden roller coaster, you may get whiplash and want to get off, but if you survive it the next one is metal with only one loop. Each time you get off you will feel like no way can my stomach fall further down, until you hit the next one. Each time you will get off and cheer YEAH I made it, and than 30 seconds later say OH SHEAATT you want me to go on that one now?

    It is worth the ride, and I know I probably scared the SHEAATT out of you, but actually, you do get to the point and say OK here we go again.

    Also, the one thing for AFROTC that to me is a larger stressor than the avg student is that cgpa, because they know that it impacts them financially. Again, I have had our DS call me and say I want to drop this class because I think I am going to fail it. I tell him the same thing over and over again, don't complain, study! One time I was with him about dropping a class, he decided not to...he got a B. He buckled down and pulled it out after mid-term. The reason I say this is because as a parent it is always now going to be that balance of ROTC and academia. You now worry about them that if one goes off kilter the whole thing does.
     
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  9. vamom

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    PIMA, you have basically just taken away 99% of the mystery of not only this initial process but for the remaining steps along the way. AHHHHH!!!!!! No rest for the weary, as they say! Thanks so much to you, Falcon and everyone else who is so kind to share what is going on in their parallel universe. It's nice to know that you are not alone in this insanity (while DS appears to be carefree and not giving any of this a second thought.....more of the "what will be will be" attitude. Good for him!). I'm holding out hope that we will have some good news from the Feb board and now realize that we could even be re-boarded (which I never even knew about until this forum!). Then there is waiting on the AFA. We do have some good news.....DS found out 2 weeks ago that he was in very small first wave of acceptances to VT School of Engineering/University Honors and also recieved some scholarship $$$ so I have to say, it is nice to have a VERY good "bird in the hand".

    Meanwhile, I will continue to creep the forum, check statuses and drive myself to the brink of insanity. Thanks for being on the ride with me!
     
  10. Pima

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    VT honors engineering...WOW!

    Our DD is at VT, no connection to ROTC, and not engineering, but I am very familiar with them and that is basically being told you are the top of the top.

    Again, take the time, take him out to Bertucci's for Pizza or 5 Guys for Burgers, this is a WOW moment.

    Off topic, but on topic, I hope he also applied to UVA for AFROTC.

    Both have great, great AFROTC dets. Nick4060 is a VT cadet, so he maybe someone to pm.

    Back on topic, that's the thing; only sites like this one actually inform you that the AFA and AFROTC NEVER TALK regarding boards.

    People assume that the two work together and are located in the same place. Yet, that is the farthest thing from the truth.

    People assume that a Type 1 = AFA apptmt. No it doesn't.

    Keep informing people that AFA is MOC; geographic centric and AFROTC is national.

    I have worked in the educational system and will say for AFROTC No VA is going to be seen academically as the top of the top. Fairfax county's SAT avg is 1350 out of 1600. THAT IS THE AVG! Your kid is below avg if they hit 1300. Nationally, most parents would jump for joy with 1300. The magnet public school in Fairfax has now been put in private and still ranks number 1 in the nation...TJ (Thomas Jefferson)...you don't pay a dime, your child tests in like any other magnet. I think I read their avg SAT is @1590 out of 1600.

    My point for saying this is:

    If you go AFROTC academically your course rigor from NoVA is strong and you get an edge.

    If you go AFA from No VA, it is highly competitive where they spread the wealth for noms, so now you are at a disadvantage compared to a candidate from AK.

    ~~~The candidate from AK could have a lower gpa, lower SAT/ACT and get into the AFA, while, you can get put on the NWL.
    ***Highest WCS wins that slate...geographically centric.

    ~~~That same candidate from AK could be given no AFROTC scholarship and your DS gets a Tier 1.
    ***Highest WCS nationally wins!

    Now, I need to state this again, again, and again. It is not getting in the AFA or the AFROTC scholarship that will be a predictor of your success in the military. It is what you do!

    If you walk in and think the path is laden with gold because you are in the AFA and that AFROTC grads are beneath you, you just boffed it! Especially since now 50% of Gens. are ROTC grads.

    If you walk in AFROTC and think that the det will look the other way because you are scholarship...read my line about being boffed.

    The fact is the AD AF couldn't care less if you are a ring knocker or not. They care that you get the mission done. Don't get caught up in the allure, I got AFA or AFROTC Type 1,2,or 7.

    Come August none of that will matter.

    You are a cadet.
     
  11. vamom

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    Well stated, PIMA! I was able to determine everything that you just said about the synergy (or lack thereof) between AFROTC and AFA by creeping around on these boards a week or so ago so I did know that they are completely independent of one another. Off topic: our DD (the one at W&M) attended Maggie Walker Gov School in Richmond.....sister school to TJ Gov School. The only two on Newsweeks "Publick Elite" list. So I am very familiar with you/your area! You DO have a competitive area, that is for sure! And it does seem "unfair" (I know that that is a dirty word) that your stats etc. could be higher than another but due to the competitive nature of your area, you may not get a nom and "another from another area" would GET the nom yet not be as Q'd. I get the process and I get how that works.....just a life lesson, I guess, that not everything is "even steven". That is why (to some extent) the AFROTC method almost seems more "fair" (there I go again) than the MOC! But fortunately, there is the NWL for AFA. Well, we continue to wait! By the way, PIMA, how does AFA work for notification? Does status change first OR do we get letter first? I'm still a bit confused about that. Thanks again!
     
  12. BrianReed

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    I would love to know the answer to that too :)
     
  13. vamom

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    Brian, I'm hopeful that PIMA or another one of the vets will be able to tell us this! No need to keep checking the status if the mail will come first! Good luck to you!
     
  14. Dad

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    DS's status changed to "Congratulations, you were awarded a scholarship" 2 weeks before the letter arrived.
     
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    Thank you, Dad. That was very helpful info. Back to stalking the status and not the mailman! :)
     
  16. Pima

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    Again, since so many here apply for both AFROTC and the AFA, it should be stated; the AFA usually changes status after the snail mail. For AFROTC the status usually changes prior to snail mail.

    It also should be stated that confusion comes around regarding DodMERB. AFA candidates will take it for that process, thus, they do not need a 2nd DodMerb.

    Typically they also have their ALO's do the interview process and not a regional.

    The AF has tried to blend for candidates that do both to reduce double paperwork. Yet, they also have kept just like the sister services a succinct distinction on awarding scholarships. The SA's do not "talk" to ROTC. It is done purely on the WCS system for each program.

    Just because you got an appointment don't think you will get a Type 1. Just because you got a Type 1 don't think you will get an appointment.

    Good luck, and thank your child and your family for stepping up to defend this great nation.
     
  17. falconfamily

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    Well said Pima, I have met good officers who were commissioned from SA's, ROTC, and OCS. Ultimately it is who you are and how well you do things that determine your sucess.
     

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