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I am an AS100 on a four-year scholarship and have been looking at some alternative options besides just going ADAF after graduation. While I am totally willing to serve on active duty, if there is a way I could serve in the guard or reserves and avoid putting my private sector career on hold for a few years, I definitely want to look into that.

Most of the research I've done so far seems to indicate that only a few (if any) AS400s get reserve or ANG slots each year, and it's usually a result of overmanning when it does happen. I know it's difficult to predict four years out, but for the class of 2022, what are the odds looking like? I recall reading awhile back that something like 50% more scholarships were offered for my class, so is it possible that it may end up overmanned? And might it be easier to go guard/reserves as a nonrated officer since pilots are still in short supply on AD?
 
I am sure others will comment on your actual question and provide a variety of responses.

Surely you didn’t mean it, but using the phrase “just going ADAF” (ouch) after graduation makes it seem you undervalue the experience and value being an AD junior military officer will bring you in the corporate world.

Clearly you are someone who is thinking ahead about your “private sector career,” which is not a bad thing.

Do take the time to research all aspects of each path from a pro-con perspective. Be open to what you learn and experience during your time in ROTC.

A few thoughts:
- You will not be teetering at grave’s edge in your later twenties when you come off active duty. Year after year, junior officers separate at 5-10 years and go on to successful, lucrative and often highly visible careers in the corporate world or as “vetrepreneurs.” In fact, they do this after any length of time.
- The real-life leadership skills, resource management experience, analytical decision-making practice, ability to perform in high-stress situations, your security clearance - these are priceless and extremely attractive to the corporate world. They actively recruit and compete for separating JOs.

Check out these, just a sample:
https://www.lucasgroup.com/

https://militarymojo.org/

https://www.oriontalent.com/military-job-seekers/officers/active-duty-military-officers.aspx

http://www.cameron-brooks.com/

https://www.bradley-morris.com/2017/01/27/military-officers-jmos/

https://www.corporategray.com/

http://www.moaa.org/MOAA-Career-Fairs.aspx



Many Fortune 500 firms and other corporations, in all sectors, have dedicated JMO career pipelines, skipping them ahead of age-group peers who lack the work experience.

You may have something entirely different in mind for your private sector career, but remain flexible. Life is what happens while you are planning, paraphrasing a famous quote.
 
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I am an AS100 on a four-year scholarship and have been looking at some alternative options besides just going ADAF after graduation. While I am totally willing to serve on active duty, if there is a way I could serve in the guard or reserves and avoid putting my private sector career on hold for a few years, I definitely want to look into that.

Most of the research I've done so far seems to indicate that only a few (if any) AS400s get reserve or ANG slots each year, and it's usually a result of overmanning when it does happen. I know it's difficult to predict four years out, but for the class of 2022, what are the odds looking like? I recall reading awhile back that something like 50% more scholarships were offered for my class, so is it possible that it may end up overmanned? And might it be easier to go guard/reserves as a nonrated officer since pilots are still in short supply on AD?

TL/DR: Unless you have a guaranteed job that you like in a specific ANG or AFRes SQ lined up in the next year or so, the smartest move is to do your AFAD commitment (which you promised to do anyway)

For ANG, find a wing that interests you ASAP and talk to their recruiter. A common misconception is that you can just "go Guard". In reality, each wing has a finite number of officer billets available, and once those are filled, they are full-no more spots for you.

The ANG is not AD or Reserves. It is a very different organization that operates much closer to the civilian work in terms of opportunities and personnel acquistions.

I would strongly recommend against skipping the AD experience if you do not have a definite ANG or Reserve slot lined up by the end of your junior year. 4 years is short and will make you much more marketable to the reserve component as a junior captain than as a young lieutenant that just didn't want to go AD.

Lastly, your AFSC proficiency will be much higher if you knock out your Lt years on AD. Odds are very low of landing a fulltime spot in the RC as an Lt, so you would be looking at deployments and/or stringing together a bunch of random swaths of orders to even get close to being the same level of AD proficiency. Without that proficiency, you're looking at low marketability again.

At the end of the day, what's the point of doing ROTC, if you're just going to have to go find a civilian job after graduation, get paid a fraction of what you would have made on AD, run the risk of being a less-trained CGO, and DOUBLE your service commitment? In that case, just bail on ROTC now, get a civilian scholarship, and decide after graduation if you still want to join Guard/Reserves via OTS.
 
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I am sure others will comment on your actual question and provide a variety of responses.

Surely you didn’t mean it, but using the phrase “just going ADAF” (ouch) after graduation makes it seem you undervalue the experience and value being an AD junior military officer will bring you in the corporate world.

Clearly you are someone who is thinking ahead about your “private sector career,” which is not a bad thing.

Do take the time to research all aspects of each path from a pro-con perspective. Be open to what you learn and experience during your time in ROTC.

A few thoughts:
- You will not be teetering at grave’s edge in your later twenties when you come off active duty. Year after year, junior officers separate at 5-10 years and go on to successful, lucrative and often highly visible careers in the corporate world or as “vetrepreneurs.” In fact, they do this after any length of time.
- The real-life leadership skills, resource management experience, analytical decision-making practice, ability to perform in high-stress situations, your security clearance - these are priceless and extremely attractive to the corporate world. They actively recruit and compete for separating JOs.

Check out these, just a sample:
https://www.lucasgroup.com/

https://militarymojo.org/

https://www.oriontalent.com/military-job-seekers/officers/active-duty-military-officers.aspx

http://www.cameron-brooks.com/

https://www.bradley-morris.com/2017/01/27/military-officers-jmos/

https://www.corporategray.com/

http://www.moaa.org/MOAA-Career-Fairs.aspx



Many Fortune 500 firms and other corporations, in all sectors, have dedicated JMO career pipelines, skipping them ahead of age-group peers who lack the work experience.

You may have something entirely different in mind for your private sector career, but remain flexible. Life is what happens while you are planning, paraphrasing a famous quote.

Agree 100%, although the important thing to point out is that being a vet does not preclude the need to be useful and not a dirtbag. I've noticed that fact is often overlooked by folks separating without education, experience, or EPRs/OPRs that qualify them for the abovementioned positions and companies.

You still have to qualify for the job. Military experience can be a plus, but is not a guarantor in and of itself. For folks that only plan on doing 4-10 yrs before separation, it is critical to plan your career progression and continuing education accordingly.

Also you have to know how to work with/for civilians. That can honestly be the biggest challenge after military service. :)
 
I am an AS100 on a four-year scholarship and have been looking at some alternative options besides just going ADAF after graduation. While I am totally willing to serve on active duty, if there is a way I could serve in the guard or reserves and avoid putting my private sector career on hold for a few years, I definitely want to look into that.

Most of the research I've done so far seems to indicate that only a few (if any) AS400s get reserve or ANG slots each year, and it's usually a result of overmanning when it does happen. I know it's difficult to predict four years out, but for the class of 2022, what are the odds looking like? I recall reading awhile back that something like 50% more scholarships were offered for my class, so is it possible that it may end up overmanned? And might it be easier to go guard/reserves as a nonrated officer since pilots are still in short supply on AD?
Don’t sell AD short on gaining meaningful experience for a civilian career. I came thru AFROTC in ‘89 as a 4 yr scholarship cadet and spent 10 years as an engineering officer. My civilian career has been very successful because of the leadership experience and the ability to work with others in all kinds of conditions and cultures.
Regarding manning, it is really hard to tell as military funding can change drastically from year to year. In ‘87, the graduating cadets were waived and allowed to go civilian, in ‘88 cadets were allowed to pay back their scholarships or go Guard/Reserve. In my year ‘89 which was a very large class, the USAF declared they were undermanned so everyone went AD. I spent my summers doing engineering internships so I Gained a lot of experience and was highly employable (I tried to explore not going on AD because of it and was counseled for it), but the years on active duty were great for fulfilling my personal and professional goals and serving the country.
Net, if you are thinking serving will hamper your civilian career, then you need to evaluate why you are going ROTC. If it is for the scholarship, fine, but you have to come to terms with the service commitment now. My time in the service made me realize I valued more of the leadership aspects than the engineering role, so when I left the military, I went for general management in the civilian sector. Many of my civie engineering friends started in engineering and had to fight their way into management roles or leave to get MBAs in order to transition to management roles.
Another thing to think about is what exactly is this civilian career? Do you already have a job and salary lined up 3.5 years from now? Is that role so much better than what you would do as aUSAF officer? If you are in a technical slot, what you do as an officer can be very similar to what you may do as a civilian but you also have more responsibilities. And going into senior year knowing you gave a job and your starting pay is pretty comforting - not to mention that the AFROTC scholarship pays for a chunk of your education so minimizes loans that you’d have to pay back after graduation.
Agree with Tbpxece that working with civilians (leading not by positional authority but influencing - ie, convincing vs commanding) is a critical skill set to demonstrate when you transition from the military to the civilian world. Good thing in the AF there are many roles working with both civilians and military folks.
Cheers!
 
I am an AS100 on a four-year scholarship and have been looking at some alternative options besides just going ADAF after graduation. While I am totally willing to serve on active duty, if there is a way I could serve in the guard or reserves and avoid putting my private sector career on hold for a few years, I definitely want to look into that.

Most of the research I've done so far seems to indicate that only a few (if any) AS400s get reserve or ANG slots each year, and it's usually a result of overmanning when it does happen. I know it's difficult to predict four years out, but for the class of 2022, what are the odds looking like? I recall reading awhile back that something like 50% more scholarships were offered for my class, so is it possible that it may end up overmanned? And might it be easier to go guard/reserves as a nonrated officer since pilots are still in short supply on AD?
Don’t sell AD short on gaining meaningful experience for a civilian career. I came thru AFROTC in ‘89 as a 4 yr scholarship cadet and spent 10 years as an engineering officer. My civilian career has been very successful because of the leadership experience and the ability to work with others in all kinds of conditions and cultures.
Regarding manning, it is really hard to tell as military funding can change drastically from year to year. In ‘87, the graduating cadets were waived and allowed to go civilian, in ‘88 cadets were allowed to pay back their scholarships or go Guard/Reserve. In my year ‘89 which was a very large class, the USAF declared they were undermanned so everyone went AD. I spent my summers doing engineering internships so I Gained a lot of experience and was highly employable (I tried to explore not going on AD because of it and was counseled for it), but the years on active duty were great for fulfilling my personal and professional goals and serving the country.
Net, if you are thinking serving will hamper your civilian career, then you need to evaluate why you are going ROTC. If it is for the scholarship, fine, but you have to come to terms with the service commitment now. My time in the service made me realize I valued more of the leadership aspects than the engineering role, so when I left the military, I went for general management in the civilian sector. Many of my civie engineering friends started in engineering and had to fight their way into management roles or leave to get MBAs in order to transition to management roles.
Another thing to think about is what exactly is this civilian career? Do you already have a job and salary lined up 3.5 years from now? Is that role so much better than what you would do as aUSAF officer? If you are in a technical slot, what you do as an officer can be very similar to what you may do as a civilian but you also have more responsibilities. And going into senior year knowing you gave a job and your starting pay is pretty comforting - not to mention that the AFROTC scholarship pays for a chunk of your education so minimizes loans that you’d have to pay back after graduation.
Agree with Tbpxece that working with civilians (leading not by positional authority but influencing - ie, convincing vs commanding) is a critical skill set to demonstrate when you transition from the military to the civilian world. Good thing in the AF there are many roles working with both civilians and military folks.
Cheers!

Not to mention that outside of project management and/or site development, USAF "CE" is dramatically different than actual civil engineering. I've met many excellent CE officers that struggled to catch up in their civilian engineering careers after seperating, due to lack of professional credentialing, CAD proficiency, industry knowledge, understanding of how billable vs. non-billable hours work, etc.

Military experience usually does not equal civilian technical expertise by itself. It can, however prove incredibly powerful for those vets that separate/retire properly prepared for their transistion to civilian life.

If/when you make the transition, ensure you know where you are going and the comparable civilian licenses, education/experience level, and technical/industry knowledge you are expected to have based on your equivalent military position. Otherwise, you will likely be getting hired into a much junior position in the civilian side.

To avoid going OT, I'll leave it there. Good luck!
 
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