AFROTC Type 7 to 2 as a Dual Enrollment Student

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  1. CivilAirPatrolCadet

    CivilAirPatrolCadet AFROTC Non-Tech Scholarship Recipient

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    Does anyone have experience with AFROTC scholarships as a dual enrollment student? I am transferring to a private university as a Type 7 to Type 2 Scholarship student. It says it will start the second year or sophomore year. I won't be a sophomore my second year, I will be a sophomore my first year of AFROTC because I have a year of dual enrollment credit. Any clue when it will really start?
     
  2. Non Ducor Duco

    Non Ducor Duco I am not led, I lead

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    Your number of credits has nothing to do with this, your scholarship will start your 2nd year in AFROTC. You are a 4 yr type 7 winner that has traded it in for a 3 yr type 2 scholarship, you will be unable to activate it until your 2nd year in school. It says "2nd year or sophmore year" because they understand that freshmen sometimes come in as sophomores in credits and they wanted to be clear that you had to be an actual sophomore by year first.
     
  3. kinnem

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    Also, I'm pretty sure that regardless of the number of credit hours you have now, you will be attending college for 4 years to complete the AFROTC curricula. I'm sure Pima or someone will correct me if I'm wrong. BTW that's another good question for your cadre.
     
  4. Pima

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    +1 NonDucor

    You should also talk to both the admissions dept AND the CoC of the ROTC detachment.

    If you are truly entering college as a sophomore (class of 2019) than you need the det. know that you will be a 250, not a 100. What that means to you is you would compete for Summer Field Training next year.

    I am not taking anything away from your achievement of dual credits, but there was a key word that struck me...TRANSFERRING. Many kids these days have a ton of credits when they enter (dual or AP), but what they quickly learn is that colleges want you there for 4 years, not 3. They, especially private are a business.
    ~ Typically what they will do is offer a requisite class for fall semester sophomores only in the spring of their freshmen year. Usually they will say that the dual enrollment or AP does not match up, and you have to take their class for your major. Hence, you might have 30 credits, but not all of them will work towards your major. See above regarding if the college is considering you a "transfer" or a HS student with enough credits to be considered a sophomore.

    My AFROTC DS not only did jump start, but a ton of APs. His college accepted all of them from a credit perspective, I think he had 33 in total before he started his freshmen year, but for his major they said you need this class, thus from an academic progression you will still graduate in 4 years. In the end he graduated with a duel major, a minor and a core degree because they said that for his intended major he needed 1 specific class as a freshmen, that class was only offered in the spring. As a non-tech major he graduated with 169 credits. Heck of a lot for a non-tech when you do the math (169 divided by 4 = 42 per yer or 21 per semester)
    ~ Same happened for my other 2 children. My 3 attended 3 different colleges, and it was all the same. Their credits counted for hours, but not necessarily for their major.

    Just saying having 30+ credit dual enrollment hours as a HS student does not always = the same as 30 credits hours as the kid at the college.

    I am just saying before you assume anything, ask the admissions dept. if they deem you a sophomore for your intended major and expect you to graduate May 2019. If so, than contact the AFROTC unit ASAP because you will need to go to SFT next summer.
     
  5. Akrogan

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    Just out of curiosity, can HSSP cadets start as 250s? I'm fairly certain I remember reading somewhere that scholarships stipulate you must be there for 4 years
     
  6. Non Ducor Duco

    Non Ducor Duco I am not led, I lead

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    No they cannot, at least not if you start participating in ROTC you're 1st year at the school. Unless the AFI has changed, 3 year scholarship winners have an option (a highly discouraged one at that) of not participating in ROTC their 1st year since the AF isn't paying for it and starting they're 2nd year as 250s when the scholarship kicks in. Taking that route may have worked years ago, but it'd be a pretty bad 1st impression for the cadre nowadays if a cadet decided not to show up for a year when the rest of their peers are there working hard to get a good commander's ranking.
     
  7. Pima

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    Kinnem,

    Xposted.

    The problem for them is that to commission you must be a POC for at least 3 semesters (18 mos). That means they must go to SFT FY17.

    Akrogan,

    I believe you are correct. It was long ago for my DS and as we all know they tweak things constantly, but if memory serves me correctly it is an all or nothing situation in the OPs case. They are an HSSP, not an ICSP, which means they expect them to commission in 2020. not 2019. However, if the college says the truly are a sophomore, and will commission in 2020, than they could enroll as a 250 and compete for the ICSP. A risk, but with the cost of college it may be something to think about especially snce they are going to a private college/

    CivilAirPatrol,
    This is why you need to talk to the admissions dept. AFROTC as an HSSP recipient expects you to commission FY 2020. HQ MPC AF expects you to commission and go ADAF probably FY 2021. FY start Oct 1st. FY2021 would start Oct. 2020.

    I am not in the know, but I think that either or both will say spring 2019 will not be your graduation date, and most likely as akrogan stated there is a fine print and you will not be able to use it.
     

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