Air Force Chaplain Awarded Bronze Star for....PowerPoint presentation - not a joke

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  1. Luigi59

    Luigi59 Banned

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    I'm nonplussed.

    http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/local/local-chaplain-played-vital-role-in-war/nWhTm/

    From CDR Salamander:

     
  2. flieger83

    flieger83 Super Moderator Moderator

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    My thoughts on this...

    He was deployed for a typical ANG/AFRC deployment of 120 days, if I read the article correctly. He is an 0-5 (considered in some locales as a senior officer) and my "guess" is that he was the "command chaplain" at his location or that area. (When the citation says "...36,000 personnel..." he's the head guy).

    IF all that is so...it's NOT very unusual for an 0-5 in such a role to be nominated for a "Meritorious Service Medal (MSM)" for actions, great responsibilities, etc...etc...etc...

    The "catch" is that if one is in a "combat theater/zone" then that MSM is shifted to a Bronze Star (BSM). I can't tell you how many young Captains - Colonels I've seen being awarded their "1st - Xth" BSM's after a deployment. It's become the medal "you need to get" if you're a field-grade (Major-Colonel) officer looking for higher rank and position.

    To me? Unless it has the combat delineating "V" device, it's a "I was there in a command or more involved supporting role" medal. If I had four stars, I'd redo the medal; change the statement on the back that currently reads: "Heroic or Meritorious Achievement" to simply say: "For Heroic Service" or something similar.

    And then I'd change the rules/protocol back to allow the MSM to be awarded in a combat zone. The "star" should be for combat heroism, nothing else.

    Steve
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  3. SamAca10

    SamAca10 Ensign - DWO

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    Nah just award him the Distinguished Warfare Medal for his meritorious contributions
     
  4. AF6872

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    BSM? DWM maybe but not probably. This new medal is getting ridiculous.
     
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  5. Aglahad

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    I concur, especially with the caveat concerning the MSM switching to a BSM if the meritorious service did occur in a combat zone. Pretty much all of the cadre in my batt had a BSM (or 2) and most seemed pretty keen on the stark differences between a BSM and a BSM w/ V.

    I don't think awarding the standard BSM for acts such as this takes anything away from the BSM earned with valor.
     
  6. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    I agree with regards to the Army. Army guys know because they're receiving them. Maybe Marines are too? I don't know.

    I can say, having served in a branch that doesn't have too many BSM recipients, and doesn't seen many, seeing one is "different".

    "Wow, he has a bronze star."

    We didn't look for a V. Honestly, while I was in, I knew direct commission aviators (especially from the Army) because they had bronze stars.

    And that's from someone in a service. Imagine how the general public (you know, the 90% who didn't serve) view the medal. Honestly, I would guess the vast majority think it's a huge deal.
     

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