Air Force ROTC board problem now...

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  1. luckymacy

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    Just notices this on son's AF website today. That's a 2 week delay from their advertised date. Hope it's not due the rumored $$$ issues but wouldn't surprise me.

    **IF YOUR APPLICATION IS MEETING THE FIRST BOARD, THOSE RESULTS WILL BE POSTPONED. THE NEW RELEASE DATE WILL BE ON OR AFTER 10 JAN 2011, SO PLEASE CHECK BACK THEN**

    Your Air Force ROTC Scholarship interview has been received and processed. Your record will meet the next available selection board. You can check back here to find the results of the board. We will mail you a letter notifying whether or not you have been offered a scholarship.
    If you have specific inquiries about your scholarship application, please email or call the Scholarship Section (HQ/RRUCC) at 1-866-423-7682. Or, fax us at 1-334-953-4384.
     
  2. USAFAHopefulMom

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    We just saw the same thing on my son's status page for AFROTC. Very frustrating. They encourage you to get everything in early, to make the deadline for the first board, and then they postpone results. Hopefully they're not cutting back shcolarships even more than was first mentioned. We'll just "hurry up and wait" like we've heard others say. :frown:
     
  3. Blackbird

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    Thanks for the info luckymacy. My son has the same message. It's disappointing, we will just have to wait a while longer. . .
     
  4. 1993A10

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    We were always told to wait on them but never make them wait on you.

    #1 college acceptance just arrived tonight. Still looking to AFROTC.
     
  5. jagabiti

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    still waiting

    Son got accepted to #1 school last month. AFRTOC rep at the school says there is nothing he can so to spead the process up....we called AFROTC and they said that we should hear in Jan. more stalking the mailman until then...
     
  6. Pima

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    For those who have no military background, it is important to understand how boards work. The dates are ALWAYS tentative.

    Don't read too much into this. They are just sliding the date. If it is a fiscal issue, it would be the last board that is impacted the greatest. That is why it is important to get the paperwork in ASAP so you meet the 1st board.

    THAT and the fact that there is a limited pot of money to disperse, once that pot is gone, it's gone..
     
  7. Blackbird

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    Pima, thanks for providing perspective. It is so easy to get lost in the details of this long process and lose perspective . . .
     
  8. Pima

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    No problem.

    The other thing is to comprehend how boards work. Files are reviewed by individuals and scored that way. Now if candidate A gets 85 out of 100 by Officer 1, but 99 by Officer 2, due to the major point differentiation Candidate A gets another round because it is out of their point scale perspective.

    Think of the SAT written, that is the board. Recs and ECs are open to interpretation. One officer may feel that the candidate with 4 sports for 4 yrs should get max, another officer may feel that the only thing the candidate has is athletics, but no leadership in these sports and give them an avg score.

    This will create an issue because their scores may not be within the parameters that the AF requires, thus, they place that file aside and have it reviewed for a 3rd time.

    These boards meet for days...NOT HOURS. They are a broad based cross section of the AF. They are given very specific directions on how to score each candidate.

    Plus we are not talking about 10 people, it is much, much higher in numbers, and they need that number to do this. If they cannot get that number, the board date will slide until they can get that number of officers to sit on the board.

    Don't read into it for this board. Like I said if we were discussing the last board I would be worried, BUT this is the 1st board.

    With time you will become aware that even as an ROTC cadet your life will be tied to boards. First will be as a Sophomore. Next as a JR.

    Trust me, from a hindsight position this is the easiest. When you get in the program and start to realize that LDAC is not guaranteed and the scholarship could go away, you now really are on the edge. FF to C300 and the board decides your childs career you are wishing you were meeting the LDAC board.

    I really think it is important for candidates, cadets and their parents to fully comprehend the path they are undertaking. Getting a scholarship is the 1st step, but those who think it is now over because they have the scholarship are the ones that don't understand the program.

    You need that gpa, you need those high AFOQT and PFT scores, you need a ROTC job. The AF is going through force shape re-structuring and their pockets aren't as deep, fiscally, as they were 10 yrs ago.

    They want to see commitment to the AF. Be prepared to show it. If you aren't than take a loan.

    I know that sounds harsh, but I think that anyone who is on the fence and taking the scholarship just for the $$$ needs to hear/read that.

    FF yourself you accept the scholarship because it pays for you to attend XYZ college, what if you fail a class, carry 2.5 gpa 1st semester, and 2.9 the next? The AF can revoke the scholarship, what now? How do you pay that difference? Here you are at your dream school and the money you banked on for 4 yrs was yanked after 1. What do you do?

    Now for the people who MAY think I am being Janie Raincloud, that's fine. All I am doing is relaying what is occurring at our DS's college. Other posters will also state that the drop out rate is significant. A class that comes in with 30 cadets, may end up with 15 at the commissioning ceremony. Be PROACTIVE and cover your bases.

    For those who want some advice on how to navigate the waters.

    Be like our DS, fight for your grades and keep them above the 3.4 gpa. Score high on the PFT. Do face time at the cadre...if you have an hour between classes, go to the det lounge. Volunteer. Join military associations like Arnie Air or the Honor Guard. You do not want your det cadet commander (student) reminding your det commander (officer) who you are when they are deciding LDAC. Our DS has a call sign by the commander and the other officers (not Cadet XYZ, but a teasing name). They know him, personally.

    Those who want to serve will shine, those who want a scholarship will also shine (neg). All up to you.
     
  9. ffarail

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    Check again, I was just awarded a scholarship from the first board!
     
  10. luckymacy

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    Yep, my son's website now says the same thing!

    It doesn't give any particulars like the type but does suggest to call for details if you don't want to wait for weeks. Here's what is says in particular:

    •Congratulations! You were awarded a scholarship. You will be receiving written confirmation via mail within the next few weeks. If you have questions please notify HQ AFROTC/RRUC.
     
  11. FloridaDad

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    What is going on with the Air Force? We went to see the local Army PMS and spoke to the AF and Navy folks while we were at the college.

    Army and Navy still had lots of places for next fall, in fact neither had filled 20% yet. The AF said all their places had been allocated had they had been capped a lot lower than last year.

    Have the AF had a budget cut of something?
     
  12. areed

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    Also Got an AFROTC Scholarship

    Yep, my son got the same message, so thanks for posting! Wouldn't have checked otherwise :thumb:

    •Congratulations! You were awarded a scholarship. You will be receiving written confirmation via mail within the next few weeks. If you have questions please notify HQ AFROTC/RRUC.

    Now to find out if it's a Type 1, 2, or 7 :confused: ... Hoping he can call and find out tomorrow.
     
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  13. luckymacy

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    I'm not sure what the air force means when they say all their places had been allocated since the Air Force does not have any quota on slots at a school and they don't hand out scholarships on condition of specific schools acceptance like the Navy/Army does. I do believe that the amount of scholarship $ is going down in both the AF and the Navy.

    Oh, and just for the record and for future reference since this comes up on the forums from time to time, there's no hint of this on the DoDMERB web site so it was not usefull to look there first for a hint this change in status was about to occur or has occurred.
     
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  14. marciemi

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    Thanks for the info everyone! Probably wouldn't have bothered to check it until after break with what we'd heard about the board. My son's says the same thing - who thinks HQ AFROTC will be getting a lot of calls tomorrow?! :wink:
     
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    Negative Results

    I just checked the board and I have a note saying I was NOT selected. Can't understand why. I have a 4.0 unweighted 4.4 weighted GPA, ACT 32 and I'm a female Junior Olympian. Just got selected for THE most prestigious scholarship at a top 5 engineering school. What more were they looking for?
     
  16. aglages

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    Did your message indicate that you would meet the next board and be reviewed again? Usually this early in the process your application is reviewed again by the next board. Of course "usually" does not seem to apply to very much this year in regards to AFROTC, NROTC or DoDMERB.
    Good Luck!
     
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  17. Lee2015

    Lee2015 USMA & USNA Mom

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    Just checked daughter's status:

    •Congratulations! You were awarded a scholarship. You will be receiving written confirmation via mail within the next few weeks. If you have questions please notify HQ AFROTC/RRUC.

    :yay:

    I'm baffled too. My daughter could be your twin, but minus the Junior Olympian. Maybe the selection has something to do with the colleges listed on the application. My daughter only listed state schools--lower tuition. Just a thought. Hang in there. There is still plenty of time left :smile:


    Good luck everyone and Merry Christmas!
     
  18. FloridaDad

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    Are you doing it for the scholarship or do you have a strong desire to serve. Not saying it is the case here but I get sense many applicants just want free education, preferably at the most expensive school.
     
  19. luckymacy

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    Shocked Happy!

    I just called and found out DS got a type 1, four year scholarship for a technical major. Way to go Air Force! Many thanks for an awesome 'Christmas Gift'!:thumb:
     
  20. Pima

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    First off everyone needs to understand the AFROTC scholarship is run completely different than the AROTC and NROTC.

    The AFROTC program doesn't care if one det has 100% scholarships and another has 10%. They take a decentralized approach. They have X amout of scholarships, when they hit that number than it is all over. The pot of money is gone. You can't compare their system to the NROTC or AROTC, it is night and day.

    Secondly, the det. commander for AFROTC does not work in tandem with Maxwell, whereas, the NROTC and AROTC have a voice regarding selection. they do not.

    Next,

    The AFROTC program places emphasis on your intended major and that is why someone with equal or higher stats does not receive a scholarship compared to another candidate.

    For example, 95% of Type 1 scholarships go to engineering majors. It is much harder for a candidate that intends to major in poli sci to get a Type 1 over the engineering major.

    20% are given Type 2, but again the vast majority are for engineering.

    In other words if you aren't majoring in engineering your stats have to be really out the door.

    Also, majors like nursing are incredibly competitive and all of them will only get a Type 7 (3 yrs).

    MAJOR matters.

    NEXT,

    The board will re-weight your gpa and part of your WCS is based on the rigor of your course curriculum PLUS class rank. In the 32 ACT scenario, I am sure they are a great student, but it can hurt you if you took the weaker rigor and your rank is top 30%.

    You can't start jumping to a belief it is all stats. You can have a 4.4 wgpa, BUT if you only took honors and no APs it will hurt.

    I am not inferring this was the case, I am just trying to say 4.4 wgpa at one school, may be great, yet from a nationalistic approach when they re-weight the gpa, it might be much lower....in NC an AP was 5.0. Honors was 4.5. In our VA hs, AP is 4.5 and honors is 4.25. The board is going to re-weight to make everyone equivalent. Same is true for the gpa, in NC their grading scale is a 10 point spread, until last yr in VA it was a 7 pt.

    It may appear equal, but you have to step back and place everything into the equation.

    Not only will the transcript be a factor, but so will the school profile. If your hs sends 95% to private 4 yr colleges, that school is going to be seen as competitive. If your hs send 25% to Private or OOS colleges it will not be deemed as competitive and that will add into the equation.

    Finally,

    Yes, the AF is going through what is called "force shape re-structuring". Currently they intend to do a RIF soon if not enough AD members take their "buy out".

    The AF is the smallest branch of the ROTC scholarships, and because they give the bulk to engineering majors, their stats are traditionally very high.

    Like all of the branches that have ROTC, 99% of SA candidates also apply for ROTC as plan B. The AFA DOES NOT talk to Maxwell. Maxwell operates by themselves, thus they do not know if the same candidate is applying to the AFA.

    It is a nationalistic approach, colleges do not matter. Major and hs rigor does.

    I can't stress hard enough that for them they know they have X amt of each type of scholarship and a % break down regarding intended majors. Thus, it is a pt. scale. Get above and you get this scholarship, below it and you get that scholarship or no scholarship at all.

    I hope that clarifies things.

    OBTW, for shooter, it may have been a multitude of reasons
    1. PFA ---did you score high...that part does count into the WCS
    2. Recs --- are you coming from an area that is very competitive, and instead of getting No. 1 candidate from your interviewer, you got they are a "strong" candidate. This too adds into the points.

    Again, plan B for AFA cadets is AFROTC and they have the same ALO.

    3. GPA...4.0 is strong, 4.4. is strong, but is the pt scale 5.0 or 6.0? How many APs did you take, particularly regarding your intended major...APUSH is 1 thing APCHEM is another if you are intending to major in engineering.

    JMPO, but I would contact your ALO and Maxwell, because I think that if you were accepted to a prestigious engineering college, something is a miss. The AF is like any big organizations, records tend to get mixed up. Maybe, when they inputted your info, there was a clerical era.

    YOU NEED TO CALL, not the folks. Start with your interviewer, because they have that connection already, and ask them where it went a foul.

    Best wishes.

    Congrats to those that got an early Xmas present
     

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