alcohol test

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  1. kingneptune117

    kingneptune117 Member

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    Hey everyone,

    I applied for an AFROTC scholarship. I am also going on a camping trip within a month. I may or may not have about four beers.

    If I do, and a week or two after that I need to do a drug test for AFROTC, will those four beers show up? If they do hair follicle testing than it will right? Idk when I would even get a drug test but to be safe ill say two weeks after I drink (if I do)
     
  2. Jcleppe

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    Seriously??

    Your actually asking this question on the Dodmerb site.

    If you have a need to ask a question like this you are definatly looking at the wrong career choice.
     
  3. Pima

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    King,

    All I can say is cut me a break.

    You are in high school, and you are asking people to say GO FOR IT because they won't take a hair follicle, even though you are breaking the law!

    I am not saying that kids don't do it, I am just saying that if it wasn't a poster I knew, I would have sworn it was a troll when that was posted, because you just stated on a forum that you are going to be breaking the law by consuming alcohol under the age of 21.

    Even though these forums are anonymous, they truly never are. Do you know for sure your AFROTC interviewer is not on this site, even as a lurker? The amount of info you have given over the course of your time yr here would allow them to decipher exactly who you are, and that post could have put you in jeopardy compared to other candidates on their slate.

    I have a friend an O6 who is a lurker on many sites just to gain insight. Sorry that is now freaking you out, but welcome to the new age of information. You use this site and probably other sites to gain an edge for you, they use it too.

    The adage type, think, edit, think, and then post is something everyone should do.


    Now to answer your question, they don't yank hair out of your cranium to test for the DodMerb it is a P in a jar situation.
     
  4. skc

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    Legal drinking age is 21. Simple answer to your quesiton; follow the law and you will have no worries of failing any test.
     
  5. scdad

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    http://afrotc.com/learn-about/mission-and-values/

    Our Core Values
    Integrity First

    Integrity is essential. It is the inner voice, the source of self-control, the basis for the trust that is imperative in today's military. Doing the right thing when nobody is looking.
     
  6. Jcleppe

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    I have to agree with Pima on this one.

    I would add one bit of clarification to my point above.

    While I am in no way naive in regards to drinking you might want to be aware of a couple things.

    My older son is a MS3 (Junior) in AROTC. at his school if you are given a MIP- Minor in possesion, or a MUC- Minor under consumption citation you can kiss your butt goodbye. Like I said I am not naive, my son is in a Fraternity, he understands the ramifications and conducts himself within what he feels are safe perameters.

    One thing to note regarding Pima's concerns about posting on boards like this. I would say all cadets are on Facebook these days. The Master Seargent at my son's school has made a request to be a friend of each cadet, as you can guess not one said no. This means that he can see what is posted, and I'm sure he checks from time to time.

    Remember...NOTHING is private, you don't show up to PT because you say you don't feel well and they see on your facebook page that you were at a killer party the night before...well you get the idea.

    Asking on a board like this "how long will it take to beat a drug test" is at best very bad form.

    In the military, the word "Honor" is not thrown around lightly.
     
  7. Strike Eagle

    Strike Eagle USAFA Cadet 2015

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    ~20 Cadets at my school got disenrolled from AFROTC last semester for drinking issues. Some actually drank, some knew about it and didn't do anything. People got disenrolled for both reasons. My flight commander was involved in this. He went to a party and just picked someone up who was drunk. That was it, but he still got in trouble. He wasn't one of the ones who were kicked out, but he lost his position as my flight commander.

    There was one cadet who was going to ENJJPT. Two days before commissioning, parents came down and everything for the ceremony, the Air Force kicks him out for his violation.

    Don't think this is all a joke. The Air Force lives by its Core Values and its Honor Code. If you want to commission as an officer and be a part of this Air Force, you better be ready to accept the responsibilities. If you can't prevent yourself from having a drink, how can you be trusted under pressure in the field when you are leading others in potentially dangerous situations?

    These Cadets at my school had a lot going for them, and they threw their lives away for a drink.

    Maintain your integrity. Be the guy who says no to that can of beer. Whether you know it or not, people WILL respect you for those decisions. Don't fall under the pressure.

    Also, don't think it is taken lightly in the Air Force. If you break the rules, they aren't going to shake their hand at you.

    So I ask you, is that one drink worth it? Don't lose it all like those 20 cadets at my school did.
     
  8. BigBear

    BigBear Class of 2015

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    I'll edit this for you:
    ...I am also going on a camping trip within a month. I WILL NOT be having four beers. If I don't, and a week or two after that I need to do a drug test for AFROTC, nothing will show up...
     
  9. MullenLE

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    An amusing thread. The specific answer to the specific question is: DoDMERB does NOT perform drug, alcohol, or HIV testing..and there are specific reasons why we don't. The urinalysis that is performed is NOT for drugs or alcohol:thumb:
     
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    Just out of sheer curiosity, are you able to divulge the reasons for not doing these tests?
     
  11. kingneptune117

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    Hey now, I never said I was going to, and I have decided that I wont. I was just mainly curious about what kind of tests they do. I haven't drank yet and I have decided to keep that record going.
     
  12. Jcleppe

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    StrikeEagle,

    That must have been some party

    You must have a very large AFROTC to have 20 cadets kicked out in one semester. So what your telling me is that if a cadet attends a party at school where alcohol is served, which is common since there are quite a few college students that are 21 and over, and the underage cadet does not drink he will still be kicked out, that seems a little odd.

    You mentioned a cadet that was kicked out 2 days before commissioning for a drinking violation. If the cadet was commissioning he would be at least 22 years old, how can he have a alcohol violation if he is of legal age.

    It would be great if you could elaborate a bit on what type of violations these were, some of the actions you said were taken seem a bit of a reach.
     
  13. MullenLE

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    Jdalv2 - I'm speaking strictly for DODMERB and as it relates to getting "into" ROTC....

    The statute was modified to require drug and alcohol testing PRIOR to commissioning exam which in ROTC is usually the 3rd year:thumb:
     
  14. Strike Eagle

    Strike Eagle USAFA Cadet 2015

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    My Detachment is one of the largest in the country. And there was underage drinking at those parties, and no one tried to stop it. If you go somewhere where 21+ y/o are drinking and you are underage and you are NOT, then there is nothing wrong going on. However, Cadets of legal age and of illegal age were both drinking. This lead to everyone involved getting into trouble, like my flight commander, who didn't drink but knew about it. These Cadets were aware of the underage drinking that was going on at these parties, but didn't want to tell our commander about it. You cannot do that. The cadet that was two days before his commission was at those parties with the underage drinking and didn't do anything about it (from what I heard, he had a previous warning for something, but im not too clear on that).

    These cadets were all in the same school club, and these were club parties. The club was dissolved and many got into trouble. Many are still here in ROTC, but some did get disenrolled.

    Remember, "We do not lie, steal, or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does." Don't break the law, and don't let lawbreaking occur without trying to stop it, as happened here at my Detachment.
     
  15. GetReal

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    Strike Eagle is a joke

    I had to sign up to post this and only this to get a good chuckle out of this thread. Strike Eagle you are completely and utterly full of crap. I am a 2LT who went through the ROTC program so I have more real life experience than you. No one got disenrolled for being at a party where there was underage drinking and no one lost their flight command because they drove a drunk person home unless and I stress unless they got a DUI or an MIP. You are absolutely talking out of your *** right now kid. Alcohol is ubiquitous in college unless you go to BYU.

    In fact, if I was COL whoever is your commander I would applaud that flight commander for having the foresight and just plain common sense to take care of her people and make sure they do the right thing. Strike Eagle, you are a young naive individual who probably sucks the fun out of everything.

    For the OP, I suggest you apply for ROTC at a SEC school and enjoy your time in college. In fact you should join a fraternity, or even a military fraternity such as Pershings Rifles. Lastly, by the way you are talking about alcohol and drug testing you probably should not be drinking. You are obviously very uneducated as to its effects. Judging by your knowledge of alcohol and drug testing 4 beers will turn you from super sober to sloppy joe in no time. Let me start your journey of education. You can drink 4 beers one day and the next afternoon at lets say 5pm you can be hair or urine tested and there will be no alcohol in your system. Do your own due diligence.
     
  16. Jcleppe

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    GetReal,

    Thanks, I needed a good laugh today.

    I think your post should put an end to this pleasant thread.

    Congratulations on completing ROTC and on your commission.
     
  17. USAFAHopefulMom

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    I'm not sure of the validity of Strike Eagle's posts or GetReal's either, but I do know a couple AFROTC cadets who attend a school with a large detachment. Around 15 or so cadets were disciplined last semester for underage drinking issues by a commander that is stricter than maybe they had been used to. Various infractions led to various punishments, up to and including disenrolling, giving up scholarships and having to pay back some/all. I don't know if anyone 2 days from commissioning was involved, but these things (underage drinking) do happen and there are consequences to pay if caught, just like in the "real world". At this school, cadets who weren't involved were also scrutinized as the commander tried to get to the truth. Its that ripple effect. Breaking the law with underage drinking, even if some feel is a college rite of passage, can have implications beyond just becoming a sloppy joe for the night.
     
  18. Ohio2015Parent

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    Completely agree with you. Consequences are real. Underage is underage.
     
  19. Strike Eagle

    Strike Eagle USAFA Cadet 2015

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    OK. I know a lot of the people personally who got disenrolled and spoke with the cadet that got kicked out two days before. I am not full of crap. Why would I lie about this? I can't begin to describe the countless briefings we have now about stuff like this. And yes, my flight commander did lose his command. How do I know? Because I WAS THERE. I spoke with him too about what he did, and that is what happened. This was a whole shock to my ROTC detachment.

    And by the way, all these cadets were a part of AAS who went to group hosted parties. The group got a warning before for what was going on by the previous Det. commander. We got a new commander this year, and he definitely did not let this fly.

    You don't have to be so critical.

    EDIT: OK, and let me clarify, I don't know the EXACT number of cadets to get disenrolled, but I know that there was ~40 to get counseled (Most of the AAS group, basically) and out of that I don't know EXACTLY how many were kicked. But I am no BSing you when I tell you about the guy two days before commissioning etc etc.
     
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  20. MullenLE

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    The last few comments are so far from the original thread, it would be best served to stop this thread here:thumb:
     

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