AP Enviromental Science Validation

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  1. chewyoatmeal

    chewyoatmeal Member

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    Hello again everyone,
    I already have an appointment so I figure an AP test is irrelevant at this point in time unless I could use it to validate a class sometime later. Is there any class like AP environmental science at West Point(I assume not, but I have learned that it never hurts to ask with the army)? Or would I just be wasting 86 dollars?
     
  2. Chockstock

    Chockstock "Forever One Team"

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    I have the SAME EXACT question and nobody's been able to answer it since forever :frown:

    Its the same deal with AP US Gov...I have to hurry up and figure out if its worth my time and money taking the AP tests for these classes...
     
  3. cjs

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    My recommendation would be to take the tests if you feel you have a great shot at passing them. You never know what your future will bring. Maybe you get there and after some time decide it's not right for you. By having the AP credits you could always use it elsewhere just in case that day ever came.
     
  4. 2012Cadet

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    Am thinking of self-studying to take some APs...for academies only (I know, "You never know what your future will bring."), but what should I bother with taking the test for or not out of the following:

    AP Psychology
    AP Computer Sci
    AP Phys C (if already taken AP Phys B)
    AP Stat
    AP Bio
    AP Enviro Sci
     
  5. BAJohnson

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    AP computer sci is very difficult. Unless you have an extreme knack for programming in general I wouldn't even bother trying to self study it.

    From what I hear taking the AP test and getting a 4/5 will not validate you immediately but it will influence it. I'm sure you've heard of the tests they give during beast? To validate a class you need to do well on that test AND score highly on the AP test... That is what I have heard.
     
  6. BAJohnson

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    Just thought I'd bump this with some information I found on the candidate portal.
    I assume the other classes are similar.
     
  7. Chockstock

    Chockstock "Forever One Team"

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    I know its impossible to predict the future but I can't find any reason to believe that I would somehow dislike it there or be unable to follow the curriculum. I went to SLS last summer and loved the campus, the atmosphere, and all the faculty I was able to meet. What I've heard is that after your first year there (which is apparently the most miserable), everything becomes a lot easier. So no, I don't think I would waste energy+money taking the tests for a reason like that and I dont think its really healthy to be thinking that way either :\ I feel that I will be successful at WP and am just trying to see if the AP tests are worth the trouble. If it happens to be that AP Env. and AP Gov are classes that I don't even need to take, I've really just wasted more than $120. Or, if I fail to pass the WP administered tests and am unable to validate. Even if I do well on the AP tests, I'll probably be taking the WP tests almost 3 months after I stop studying. Thats a long time to be able to retain so much information. I've already spent $200+ on previous AP tests that I've taken so long ago (back when I never knew I would be applying for WP) that it'll probably impossible for me to do well on the WP tests and I don't relish the idea of wasting more money and time.
     
  8. Grannie

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    Chockstock, I really like your confidence about succeeding at WP. It is so important and will carry you so well as you strive for your personal goals. We've had several family discussions regarding taking the AP tests. Personally, I would save the bucks, skip 'em and rely on the WP tests; however, that is not the direction my guy wants to take. He's taking 3 AP courses but is choosing to take only 2 AP tests (calc and statistics). From our discussions I think he wants to do it out of pride of accomplishment. The third? We don't feel the teacher is lacking in teaching techniques appropriate for AP level coursework and is not adequately preparing the class for achievement on the tests so he's skipping that one. Even though he'll pull an "A" in the course, he'll just chaulk that course up to having learned a lot but not enough to compete favorably in a nationally-scored exam. Just another perspective for you to consider. :eek:)
     
  9. Chockstock

    Chockstock "Forever One Team"

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    Oh, well I guess I'm different from your son :biggrin: taking the AP tests have always been motivated solely for trying to validate classes in college - getting a 4.0 in the class is enough of an accomplishment for me :smile:

    Yeah, money is the main issue. I don't want to fork over that much money and see it go to waste. I guess I might try a hand at the WP tests, but like I said, if the classes aren't even going to be required for me there, there wouldn't be any point for me to take it.
     
  10. 2012Cadet

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    Yeah, I thought so about Comp Sci...I looked at an AP book one time and it was bunch of gibberish to me.

    As for the ACMP thing, is their any way you can validate this?...for example, I will be taking AP Calc BC junior year (test out of MA153?), Calc 2 (college level) my senior year (test out of MA255?), and self-study AP Stat (test out of MA206?).
     
  11. BAJohnson

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    wHave you taken Java? Without it APCS is impossible. That being said Java is also a difficult class to self study as it is basically learning a new language with tons of rules and limitations. That being said I imagine APCS looks incredibly good on a course list.

    From the quote I posted I don't think you can validate anything except the first semester math course. Maybe there are exceptions but I think you'll probably have to go to the admissions office for that.
     
  12. 2012Cadet

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    Yeah...have pretty much figured out APCS impossible for me.
     
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    Questions:

    To be considered to validate Physics, would you have to take AP Phys C or is B okay enough?

    Will AP Psych test be considered to validate PL100?
     

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