Appointment Acceptance Portal Update

Packer said:
http://www.nacacnet.org/studentinfo/articles/Documents/Admission-Plans.aspx
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Packer; excellent point. When my son applied to the academy in 2007, he also applied early admission to a number of schools. He did this in september/october. It was a very tricky situation. He was accepted to 2 of the biggies through early admissions. They needed/wanted a response pretty quickly. Fortunately, he also received his appointment to the air force academy at the end of October. Had he not received the appointment, I'm not sure what he would have done. By turning down an early admission acceptance, your future chance at that school is pretty much over. So much for Plan B or C. Now you're dealing with Plan E or F because you're waiting until Spring.

Many forget that civilian universities are competing for students just like the academies are. The whole "LOA" program is basically the academy's form of Early Admissions. It might seem to suck to some that the academy is giving their main MOC nominees to accept/decline and appointment by April 15th, but that's life. Civilian universities can afford to "Over-Subscribe" how many students can be accepted. The air force academy had done the same thing for too many years. They need to reel in their choices.

Now; this only applies to those possibly wanting a Navy or Army appointment and they received air force and is waiting for the other two. I don't know why, considering the Air Force academy is the BEST of them all anyway. :biggrin: However; I can understand this. But for those possibly wanting a CIVILIAN UNIVERSITY, the Air Force April 15th deadline for acceptance is totally 100% irrelevant. Why??? Simple. You can accept the appointment, but you don't have to go. You can accept it today; and May 30th receive word that you received acceptance to Harvard, and you can tell the academy never mind. It's a non-issue for civilian schools being considered for higher choice. This April 15th choice only applies to those wanting one of the other academies as a 1st choice and haven't heard anything yet. For those people.... Oh well. Wait until April 13th (14th and 15th are a weekend, don't trust computers on weekends). If you hear from the other academy you want, take them. If you haven't heard yet, flip a coin, say 3 hail mary's and 2 our fathers, and decide. Life's a peach; ain't it.
 
Pima said:
I have the "WOW" running in my mind because of the AFA "Plan B" issue.

Is it the AFA's problem that USNA or any other SA has a later date than they do?

No, the AFA exists for the AF and their manpower needs, not the Navy, nor CG, nor the Army or any Ivy/Top Tier college.


Keep a spade a spade.

You want to be in the AF, want an SA education than the answer is pretty simple.

You want an SA education, but not an AF career than I get where you are coming from.

Just saying that is how I perceive it.


I could not give a rat's behind who is or is not appointed. What I do care about is the person that will cover my DS's 6 in the AD world. Some of these posts worry me regarding motivation.

I read Plan B. Gee thanks!

Again, I don't get warm and fuzzy feelings.
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So it is less than honorable to apply to multiple service academies and have a preference as to which you like to serve in? Is that what you are implying?
 
Packer said:
So it is less than honorable to apply to multiple service academies and have a preference as to which you like to serve in? Is that what you are implying?
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Hypothetical: Prior to this year, it was not uncommon for a high-end applicant to receive an LOA in October/November. Assuming they received their MOC nomination in November/December, you think it's unfair to expect a decision prior to May 1st? Why even give out an LOA (Academy version of Early Admissions) if you're not going to request the applicant to make a decision Early.
 
Christcorp said:
Hypothetical: Prior to this year, it was not uncommon for a high-end applicant to receive an LOA in October/November. Assuming they received their MOC nomination in November/December, you think it's unfair to expect a decision prior to May 1st? Why even give out an LOA (Academy version of Early Admissions) if you're not going to request the applicant to make a decision Early.
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They didn't have to make a decision prior to May 1. LOA = Early Action not Early Decision.
Expect or require?
 
Absolutely, not Packer.

I am saying if you go through the process, including MOC noms where they ask the applicant to rack and stack SA's, it is unfair to say AFA is playing foul.

If you asked for nom, the MOC asked you to rack the SA preference. To say now 6 months later 2 weeks makes a SHEATT difference is BS. To say they are teenagers is BS too IMPO.

It wasn't as if the applicant applied in Sept, found in Nov. and was forced to accept in Dec.

SA applicants started this back last summer.

My question to you is, so are you saying that a candidate with noms (no later than Jan), has not taken these 3 months to decide what if I get appointments to all 3, or 1 out of 3, or 2 out of 3?

They all knew 8 weeks ago at the latest this was a chance. Did they just hope the SA's wouldn't appoint them?

HEARTS ARE BREAKING right now with the TWE's. For posters to read that the AFA is not playing fair with the date and it is Plan B for my kid is salt in a wound.

Take it or leave it. I have no bone in the fight, DS will be commissioned this May with a UPT slot. My only bone in it is from a Mom perspective and how I want his 6 covered!
 
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Pima said:
Absolutely, not Packer.

I am saying if you go through the process, including MOC noms where they ask the applicant to rack and stack SA's, it is unfair to say AFA is playing foul.

If you asked for nom, the MOC asked you to rack the SA preference. To say now 6 months later 2 weeks makes a SHEATT difference is BS. To say they are teenagers is BS too IMPO.

It wasn't as if the applicant applied in Sept, found in Nov. and was forced to accept in Dec.

SA applicants started this back last summer.

My question to you is, so are you saying that a candidate with noms (no later than Jan), has not taken these 3 months to decide what if I get appointments to all 3, or 1 out of 3, or 2 out of 3?

They all knew 8 weeks ago at the latest this was a chance. Did they just hope the SA's wouldn't appoint them?
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Well one of the academies doesn't use noms and they will still be issueing appointments up to April 15 with their normal process.
The other academies that do require nom's are still issueing a few appointments. All of the academies have put in writing that appointees would have until May 1 to decide. If a candidate is still in the running for say, USNA, and USNA is their first choice they are now being told by USAFA you must take your 2nd choice now or forget about it. It is more about changing the rules mid-stream.

If they already have all of their offers this is a non-issue really because they have had a long time to run through the what-if's.
 
It's all a matter of perspective. If you talk to a family of 4 where Mom and Dad each work 2 minimum wage jobs that you are having a problem moving some of your investments because you owe $7000 this year in taxes; they aren't going to have much sympathy for you. (They wish they had YOUR problems)

If you talk to any of those whose online application portal DID NOT CHANGE to say congratulations.... I bet most of them will have very little sympathy for the person being told they only have 2 weeks to make a decision on whether to accept or deny the appointment.

I have no problem with people applying to more than one academy. But I've seen this same discussion come up in many different forms for about 10 years. And the same replies are given each year in one form or another. I explained this to my son, and "HIS DECISION" was for him to not be put into this situation. He simply applied early to 2 universities and the air force academy. If he didn't get one of those, he'd apply to other schools later. He never applied to navy, army, cg, or mm. Not dogging those who did apply to more than one, but today can't honestly be the FIRST time these individuals contemplated the possibility of being informed by one academy earlier than another, and what they might do about it.

As Pima said; the person has been in the "Process" for almost a year. Didn't they think this might happen? Did they think that all academies announce on the same day and let you choose all on the same day? That's pretty naive. People have 2 weeks. If you're fortunate enough to have an air force appointment, then call the navy and army and tell them so. Ask them if they will be announcing soon. Kiss their butt and tell them you really want navy or army and that you really need to hear something soon. Maybe they'll tell you something.
 
Packer I know the CGA does not require noms. Off topic, but always found it funny USMMA does, and USCGA doesn't.

I do not mean to burst bubble here, but honestly, USNA also has Mass Mailing March, if you are placing bets on an appointment in April after the 15th from USNA it will be long odds.

I am missing your last point on what Ifs. To me the minute you submit the application it becomes What If. The way I read yours is: What If until their acknowledgement.

I know for my kids even RD college on this level closed weeks and weeks ago. Be honest when was your child's last application date? Are you saying for 6-12 months you never discussed what IF?

Like I said, I respect your opinion, I hope you respect mine. Neither one of us will change our opinions. You think it is wrong. I think by April the kids know in their hearts. Just our 0.19753294 cents
 
Christcorp said:
As Pima said; the person has been in the "Process" for almost a year. Didn't they think this might happen? Did they think that all academies announce on the same day and let you choose all on the same day? That's pretty naive. People have 2 weeks. If you're fortunate enough to have an air force appointment, then call the navy and army and tell them so. Ask them if they will be announcing soon. Kiss their butt and tell them you really want navy or army and that you really need to hear something soon. Maybe they'll tell you something.
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I agree that this is a heck of a good problem to have and one honestly can't complain too loudly about this. Heck they are offering an opportunity of a life time.
They did change the stated rules though and potentially created a problem for some where no problem previously existed.
 
Pima said:
Packer I know the CGA does not require noms. Off topic, but always found it funny USMMA does, and USCGA doesn't.

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The CGA uses a rolling review process where they review a batch and make decisions every week. The last batch of decisions does not come out until April 15. During an admissions briefing they actually said, if another school is pressing you to make a decision let us know and we will call them because they all agreed to a May 1 date.

This does not really effect my son so I don't have a personal issue here but it bothers me anytime that someone tells me something and then changes it.
 
Packer said:
I agree that this is a heck of a good problem to have and one honestly can't complain too loudly about this. Heck they are offering an opportunity of a life time.
They did change the stated rules though and potentially created a problem for some where no problem previously existed.
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Only for some appointees. Many will receive their appointments in the next few weeks, and they won't have an April 15th deadline. This is for he initial wave of MOC appointees, so the air force knows how many more appointments to offer.
 
Packer said:
They did change the stated rules though and potentially created a problem for some where no problem previously existed.
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Show me in black and white where the AFA stated to 16 applicants that the date was May 1st. Look carefully at the wording, did that say 16 or 15?

I am betting they never said 16, i.e. May 1,2012, if you can find that from the AFA website I would post it because that is a legal issue.
 
Pima said:
Show me in black and white where the AFA stated to 16 applicants that the date was May 1st. Look carefully at the wording, did that say 16 or 15?

I am betting they never said 16, i.e. May 1,2012, if you can find that from the AFA website I would post it because that is a legal issue.
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I think it was in some of the info papers my son received but not sure. I looked on the website a little earlier but couldn't find it.
 
Pima said:
Show me in black and white where the AFA stated to 16 applicants that the date was May 1st. Look carefully at the wording, did that say 16 or 15?

I am betting they never said 16, i.e. May 1,2012, if you can find that from the AFA website I would post it because that is a legal issue.
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They must have changed the rules somewhere along the line because my DD"s letter, dated 1/17/12, listed a response date of no later than 5/1/12. In January, there was no opportunity to accept on line...only by completing the form and sending it in. Maybe they moved it up to weed out the kids whose plan B is the USAFA, get a more accurate count and send out more later in April.
 
We are mixing here.

BobBigBoy,

Your DD was offered an apptmt in January, with 5/1, that was an appointment.

I am asking to show on the AFA website anywhere they ever stated 5/1.

That is my point. Posters assumed because other posters like you said they had until 5/1 and now the AFA is saying 4/15. That appointment was for your DD from the AFA. You chose to share it, but it still is between her and the AFA.

The AFA never stated that EVERY appointee had until 5/1, Posters ASSUMED.

Show me in black and white that the AFA ever said to any applicant that if they are offered an appointment they have until May 1st.

That is the crux. People arguing over this issue have yet to prove the AFA guaranteed this when they started the PCQ process.
 
All right, I can't find it (the May 1 date) in black and white to confirm that it was for this year. My recollection is that it stated decisions were due by May 1 or within 2 weeks whichever was later.

You win Pima.:thumb:
 
Pima said:
We are mixing here.

BobBigBoy,

Your DD was offered an apptmt in January, with 5/1, that was an appointment.

I am asking to show on the AFA website anywhere they ever stated 5/1.

That is my point. Posters assumed because other posters like you said they had until 5/1 and now the AFA is saying 4/15. That appointment was for your DD from the AFA. You chose to share it, but it still is between her and the AFA.

The AFA never stated that EVERY appointee had until 5/1, Posters ASSUMED.

Show me in black and white that the AFA ever said to any applicant that if they are offered an appointment they have until May 1st.

That is the crux. People arguing over this issue have yet to prove the AFA guaranteed this when they started the PCQ process.
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No argument, just sharing. The date is in black and white, actually beige and black just not electronic black and white...got the point. Don't know why they changed the date mid-stream just find it curious, that's all.
 
I am quite sure the AFA can put whatever deadline they like on any offer of appointment they make. The closer we get to "I" day, the shorter that time frame will be. I seem to remember someone posting last year, in late May or early June, of receiving an appointment offer and the deadline for acceptance being 48 hours!
 
2bornot2b said:
I am quite sure the AFA can put whatever deadline they like on any offer of appointment they make. The closer we get to "I" day, the shorter that time frame will be. I seem to remember someone posting last year, in late May or early June, of receiving an appointment offer and the deadline for acceptance being 48 hours!
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Of course they can, they hold all the cards!

Key difference in your example is it was after May 1.
 
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