Army ROTC 2023-2024 2nd Board

I dont think all of them can see it. My son has been in touch his ROO and he said he can not see and has not heard anything. Said he will be in touch with us once he knows something. So then when I come on here and see other people being able to know in advance of us who don't know the results really makes me wonder if it's true but then I'm mad and sad for my own son. It's so stressful. I'm truly sympathetic to everyone involved
I sat with a ROO at a nearby D1 university earlier while he logged in, nothing is updated from the JAN 24 board in CCIMS as of noon today (2/7/24).

Everyone will be notified through normal channels (portal, email, and probably a few ROOs calling or emailing).
 
If their whole website/portal is down for everyone, it's likely it's down on their end as well, and they might be unable to access "the results list" to even send out emails/calls/snail mail. Just be patient, nothing you can do, it'll work out eventually.
 
If you don't mind me asking, what were your stats?

Asking this cause I'm thinking I will probably only be able to get a 3 year on either this or the third board with how I compare to other people and the average applicant.
My stats are going to be completely different than the competitive stats today, the ROTC scholarship became much more competitive I believe after the Afghan withdraw and when the army began to downsize.
 
My stats are going to be completely different than the competitive stats today, the ROTC scholarship became much more competitive I believe after the Afghan withdraw and when the army began to downsize.
Ah, so you would say it is definitely a bit more competitive now compared to say 5 years ago.
 
Ah, so you would say it is definitely a bit more competitive now compared to say 5 years ago.
It will always be more difficult, somewhat, to obtain one of these scholarships during times when our military is less needed.

That said... The branches have all had a difficult time fulfilling their mission requirements with their ROTC programs and my understanding is that, especially in the smaller programs/schools, it's not very difficult right now.
 
just curious as a current applicant, what are the chances of a 1360 SAT, 4.2 GPA, Eagle Scout, Football Captain, NHS leadership.etc getting a full scholarship? I knew I likely wasnt going to earn an October board, but am curious if I might only be good enough for a 3 year. I also have one school on my list which is a much smaller school(around 2500 students) than the rest of the schools on my list(all of which are large state schools). Is there a better chance of me earning to that smaller school?
 
just curious as a current applicant, what are the chances of a 1360 SAT, 4.2 GPA, Eagle Scout, Football Captain, NHS leadership.etc getting a full scholarship? I knew I likely wasnt going to earn an October board, but am curious if I might only be good enough for a 3 year. I also have one school on my list which is a much smaller school(around 2500 students) than the rest of the schools on my list(all of which are large state schools). Is there a better chance of me earning to that smaller school?
I would say you have an excellent chance of a 4 year.

You check all of the SAL boxes. Scholar/Athlete/Leadership.
 
just curious as a current applicant, what are the chances of a 1360 SAT, 4.2 GPA, Eagle Scout, Football Captain, NHS leadership.etc getting a full scholarship? I knew I likely wasnt going to earn an October board, but am curious if I might only be good enough for a 3 year. I also have one school on my list which is a much smaller school(around 2500 students) than the rest of the schools on my list(all of which are large state schools). Is there a better chance of me earning to that smaller school?
These are like the exact same as my stats lol (if not more impressive). Good luck to you. I was told by my ROO that I should expect a 4 year so you should be fine.
 
These are like the exact same as my stats lol (if not more impressive). Good luck to you. I was told by my ROO that I should expect a 4 year so you should be fine.
Thanks! I never really got a straight answer from my PMS interview and was just curious about my chances. Best of luck!
 
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Interesting. Where can you see "winner stats"?

See below. As you can see, SAT scores have been in decline in recent years. And keep in mind, those are the "mean" scores for winners. Also keep in mind scores for 3-year winners will be lower than the 4-year mean. Finally, keep in mind that the mean is the middle, so there are people with scores lower than those and people with scores higher than those who win 4-year scholarships.

Bottom line, it is very hard to just look at "stats" and chance your odds, without taking your overall application into account. If you have awesome athletic and leadership credentials, you could offset somewhat lower scores. But, overall, this at least gives you some context.

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I love how the army decided to post this situation on their Instagram to reinforce the "hurry up and wait" mentality.
 
These are like the exact same as my stats lol (if not more impressive). Good luck to you. I was told by my ROO that I should expect a 4 year so you should be fine.
Any ROO that tells you to expect a 4-year is selling something that is never a guarantee and quite outside of his purview. When I was a PMS, if my ROO stated something like that to an applicant (and I found out), we'd have a one-way discussion about his role and responsibility to the Army and applicants. That sets a false expectation and will be a letdown when it is not a 4-year. Now that has potentially alienated an entire family from the Army and the university I'm sitting at. With those kinds of experiences in your kit box, you're highly competitive. Odds are a 3-year AD.

I'll be quite honest here...I'm not a fan of 4-year scholarships. It's an investment in an 18-year-old kid that has not had any real leadership assessment. The Army has more 4-year scholarship recipients flake out than any other population (per capita). I much prefer the 3-year Advanced Designee Scholarship. I normally had the ability on campus to turn that into a 3.5-year scholarship. 4-year is a very high-risk investment for the Army, that's why there are not many awarded.

I would tell the kids I interviewed if I believed they were competitive. I'd qualify it as either competitive or highly competitive. The PMS interview carries more weight than your GPA, extracurricular, or standardized test scores. I was often called or texted by RMID or guys sitting on the scholarship board asking me about my comments. If I did not believe the kid would be a successful Cadet, I would put in the comments words to the effect of: "Do not award this applicant a scholarship" or "I do not believe they will be a successful Cadet, do not select." - if I wrote that in the comments, your application was dead. I would also just give your interview 0 discretionary points. That's also a killer.

Believe it or not, I also had kids come into my office and say they didn't want a scholarship, their dad/mom was making them be there. I'd make sure those kids got 0 points from me and we'd chat for about 20 minutes about whatever while dad/mom waited in the lobby area. I'd make sure to say "good luck" on their way out the door so dad/mom could hear positivity come from me. Trapping someone who doesn't want to be there is incredibly unfair to everyone. (I never had a problem making my commissioning mission).

Beyond all that, you don't know what is going to come out on the backside without knowing the attrition model related to requirements that were run by the analysts. There are several personnel levers behind the scenes that PMSes and ROTC Brigade Commanders do not see (I saw it when I was at HRC because these guys who ran the models for force management and manning worked in the cubicles next to me). They're running the models based on decades of data that inform how many students are needed to enroll in class, how many need to be on 4-year, and 3-year scholarships, how many Minuteman Scholarships, number of ARNG SMP, USAR SMP, etc. If I remember correctly, less than 50% of the total Cadet Command commissioning mission should be on any type of Cadet Command scholarship! (for some reason 40% sounds correct).
 
If the results don't come out by the end of this week, I'm probably going to just submit my Letter of Continued Interest without the Army ROTC scholarship. Worst case, I will have to send another update for the AROTC scholarship if I do get it.
 
Any ROO that tells you to expect a 4-year is selling something that is never a guarantee and quite outside of his purview. When I was a PMS, if my ROO stated something like that to an applicant (and I found out), we'd have a one-way discussion about his role and responsibility to the Army and applicants. That sets a false expectation and will be a letdown when it is not a 4-year. Now that has potentially alienated an entire family from the Army and the university I'm sitting at. With those kinds of experiences in your kit box, you're highly competitive. Odds are a 3-year AD.

I'll be quite honest here...I'm not a fan of 4-year scholarships. It's an investment in an 18-year-old kid that has not had any real leadership assessment. The Army has more 4-year scholarship recipients flake out than any other population (per capita). I much prefer the 3-year Advanced Designee Scholarship. I normally had the ability on campus to turn that into a 3.5-year scholarship. 4-year is a very high-risk investment for the Army, that's why there are not many awarded.

I would tell the kids I interviewed if I believed they were competitive. I'd qualify it as either competitive or highly competitive. The PMS interview carries more weight than your GPA, extracurricular, or standardized test scores. I was often called or texted by RMID or guys sitting on the scholarship board asking me about my comments. If I did not believe the kid would be a successful Cadet, I would put in the comments words to the effect of: "Do not award this applicant a scholarship" or "I do not believe they will be a successful Cadet, do not select." - if I wrote that in the comments, your application was dead. I would also just give your interview 0 discretionary points. That's also a killer.

Believe it or not, I also had kids come into my office and say they didn't want a scholarship, their dad/mom was making them be there. I'd make sure those kids got 0 points from me and we'd chat for about 20 minutes about whatever while dad/mom waited in the lobby area. I'd make sure to say "good luck" on their way out the door so dad/mom could hear positivity come from me. Trapping someone who doesn't want to be there is incredibly unfair to everyone. (I never had a problem making my commissioning mission).

Beyond all that, you don't know what is going to come out on the backside without knowing the attrition model related to requirements that were run by the analysts. There are several personnel levers behind the scenes that PMSes and ROTC Brigade Commanders do not see (I saw it when I was at HRC because these guys who ran the models for force management and manning worked in the cubicles next to me). They're running the models based on decades of data that inform how many students are needed to enroll in class, how many need to be on 4-year, and 3-year scholarships, how many Minuteman Scholarships, number of ARNG SMP, USAR SMP, etc. If I remember correctly, less than 50% of the total Cadet Command commissioning mission should be on any type of Cadet Command scholarship! (for some reason 40% sounds correct).
The monetary investment in 3 and 4 year ROTC scholarships isn't unlike the similar investment in kids at Service Academies. The data is there and they understand a % will drop out/flunk out etc. I feel that is all in the model. Your comments about 3 vs 4 year ROTC scholarships are very interesting because the 1st year of ROTC participation (tuition) is not paid for and the cadet can be evaluated and screened on their potential before the larger money is laid out. The question in my mind is: 1. Would CC be able to attain their numbers if there were only 3 year scholarships and 2. Would the caliber of students that would normally receive a 4 yr still be available if only 3 yr scholarships existed? Those kids have the resume to do alot of different things so they have many choices. The sad part is that as college costs increase, more and more ROTC scholarship applicants will use "cost" as a major contributing factor as opposed to their desire to serve and lead in the military.
I would be interested to know: When a 3yr winner gets on campus in year 1 and participates in ROTC , what are the minimum standards they need to achieve to keep that 3yr scholarship? Did you see a significant weeding out prior to the 2nd year when the Army is on the hook for the cost of the scholarship? I would assume (like service academies) the highest drop out/weed out % comes in the first year.
 
Another day of waiting!

TBH, this delay has probably cemented my son's intention to accept his NROTC scholarship and just proceed forward with them. 🤷🏼‍♀️
 
Crossing my fingers that today is finally the day, but I have a sneaking suspicion it won't be, and we'll be waiting a couple of weeks.
 
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