AROTC School Prioritization Questions

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  1. goaliedad

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    Ok, I've got some questions regarding the AROTC process and school list prioritization for those of you who have been through the process.

    Before I ask the questions, I will give some background on my D. She is currently a junior at a boarding school in NE who is an ice hockey goalie who is interested in playing DIII in college (perhaps with another sport as well - preferred, but not critical in the decision making) as well as participating in ROTC.

    In addition to her parameters for school selection, we as parents have some "preferences" regarding school selection, including that at least in the underclassman years, her ROTC committment does not require her to drive in poor weather (i.e. snow/ice) as she is a novice driver (not allowed to drive while at school) and has zero poor weather experience (we live in the south). This will give her time to develop the necessary skill on an optional basis before being required to drive in these conditions.

    This requires either attending a host school or a cross-town school that offers the required coursework or (less preferable) a school within walking or quick public transportation distance of a host school.

    I have done the research (visiting dozens of school and unit websites) and have found many more schools than I anticipated fitting within our requirement. Other issues will pare (academic/major fit and Women-only campus - D's issue not ours) this list down to about 10 potential schools where she could pursue her academic, athletic, and ROTC interests.

    Now we get to the question - prioritization of schools on the ROTC application.

    The joker in the deck here is coach interest in my D. Typically, a school will only carry 3 goalies on their roster and rarely will ever bring in more that one goalie in a year. Some top DIII coaches wait until the DI picking is about done (March) to show their hand regarding their top choice for goalie. Of course this sets a game of musical chairs about when suddenly a top prospect is "available" late in the game.

    Other coaches, knowing that FA will not be a factor in the committment may be happy get a quality goalie they like and call it a year. I'm thinking most coaches will fall into this category.

    Of course, almost all (if not all) of the coaches from schools on my D's list have not seen her play. If they were at a game she was playing, it was to look at another player. Most of this is because almost all of the schools on the list are rather distant from her school and where she has played club hockey recently.

    This visibility will be remedied for many of the schools this summer through a time-tested strategy of inviting the coach to watch her at a particular (probably the biggest) hockey camp/tournament of the summer. This will probably get the eastern coaches, but many of the schools on the list are midwestern, unfortunately. For those coaches without travel budgets (much of DIII recruiting is regional) they will have to go on reports from others (information is shared freely from what I am told) or purely on D's coaches recommendation (a former DIII assistant).

    So (if I haven't lost you), there may be a list of coaches who are interested in her during the summer and others who may see her in a holiday tournament during her senior year.

    Meanwhile, we've got an AROTC application to file including prioritization of schools. Now the questions:

    1) Are you allowed to add/change/drop/rearrange the order of schools on your list once you submit the completed application? If a coach that doesn't see her until Thanksgiving, but wants her at that point comes about, can we boost that school up the list?

    2) Does the order of prioritization play a significant role in which (or how many) offers you get for how many campuses?

    3) Are you likely to get all of your offers in the first month after you are approved as fully eligible OR do they trickle in over several months as schools are awarded more slots?

    4) Do AROTC units talk to coaches to determine likelyhood of "both events" occurring (AROTC scholarship award and coach committment to athlete) or are they even allowed to talk?

    5) Obviously, we should start with schools she likes more closer to the top, but if a coach from say the #4 school (very acceptable) says we want you during the summer, should we bump that school higher up the list to increase the chance of a scholarship or do they look that far down the list up front? I've read that you should put schools where you are likely to be accepted high on you list (instead of your reach schools) to make sure you get a usable scholarship. This would seem to be a parallel strategy.

    Sorry to be so long winded, but I'm hoping that more relevant information will yield a better understanding of what we are doing.

    Thanks
     
  2. CadetMom777

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    You definitely need to put your top choices at the top of your list. The Army lets you list up to 10 colleges on your application, but will only give you about 4 or 5 offers to accept the scholarship for in your acceptance. It's usually the top schools you listed. Once you receive your offer, you only have 30 days to select just one of those schools to accept your scholarship to. In April, the Army will send you a confirmation of college choice form. It is here that you can opt for another school than you previously picked. However, by that time of the year, many school ROTC units may have already filled their alloted slots for AROTC Scholarship recipients. Schools start with a certain amount of openings, and, of course, popular ROTC units fill up the quickest. If that was the case, your daughter would have to go on a wait-list hoping that a slot would open up. If you know for sure you would want to switch before April, you may be able to coordinate that with Cadet Command sooner.

    My son was awarded an AROTC scholarship for 2009/2010. He got it from the first board to his number one choice and was accepted by November at that school, so he was set to go early. He has a friend that also won an ROTC scholarship at his top pick, but it was a reach school. He didn't get in, and the school he is now planning to attend does not have an ROTC unit he can utitlize. So, bottom line, he won a scholarship that he will have to forfeit.

    I can't speak to the coach/Professor of Military Science connection. I know some schools put a great weight on admission for those awarded ROTC scholarships, and some none at all. The same goes for recruited athletes.

    You say that a lot of these coach visits will be done in the summer. Perhaps you will have a better picture then of who among your daughter's favorite schools might be willing to offer her a position on the team. My advice for turning in all required portions of the AROTC scholarship is to have it done by early September so her packet is ready to be reviewed at the very first selection board. You may have to make independent choices between sports and ROTC and hope you can meld them together in the end.
     
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  3. goaliedad

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    Thanks for the quick reply CadetMom777!

    One last question that I forgot about:

    6) A couple of the schools on the overall list are hosted by another school (a D1 hockey school not on her list - she's not THAT good). I'm confused about whether scholarship slots are based upon the host unit or the individual schools. So let's say she is interested in small schools A and T that are hosted by school M (not on her list). Let's say she puts school A on her list and is awarded and accepts a scholarship in October. Come December, we come to find out that the coach at school B really wants her and that school A has another local prospect they like more than my daughter (and has let us know that). Is this a simple switch within the host school unit, easily accomplished in April as you mentioned, or is there something else here?

    If this is so, then it would make sense not to put both schools near the top of the list?
     
  4. CadetMom777

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    I believe that a scholarship may be used within any part of the Battalion of the host school. For instance, University of Southern California is the host school for Cal State Long Beach, Cal State Irvine and Cal State Dominquez Hills. Together they are known as the Trojan Battalion and have one PMS that is in charge of all. There were a total of 21 AROTC scholarships last year for the Trojan Battalion spread out among these four schools (this statistic was taken directly from the Trojan Battalion Army ROTC website). So, for example, if your daughter got accepted to Cal State Long Beach and had originally been awarded a scholarship for USC, it wouldn't matter for the slot because she would still be in the same pool of slots regardless of which school in the Battalion she attended. I imagine the school name change would be a simple formality.

    Therefore, to increase the number of schools you can list, technically you could just pick one school in the host's network for your top 10 and know you will be able to apply the scholarship to any of them.

    This is an answer from research I have done, but not an answer I would stake my reputation on. I would contact the PMS of a host school that your daughter is considering to verify the above is indeed the case.
     
  5. goaliedad

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    Thanks for the tip. :thumb: I will confirm with a PMS. If it is true, then it simplifies prioritizing as there are 2 clusters of schools in the midwest in the same 2 units (hosts). I'll just make sure that we only list 1 school from each cluster in the top 5 if this is the case. Helps our eastern situation as it looks like each school in the east is in a different unit than the others. So we'll have to be picky there.
     

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