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Just a current Firstie stuck at home due to the occuring public health crisis. I figured I would return to this forum after a 4 year hiatus and dispense some knowledge to those who might want it. Feel free to ask anything and everything about USMA, I'll give you a straight answer.
 
Hello,
My son attends a very small college preparatory high school of about 100 students on full merit scholarship. I'm concerned he's not on any sports teams, because the school doesn't have any. Would that be a problem? He's very fit, run marathons, lift weights, and practice martial arts in preparation for the CFA. Thank you.

He has: 4.667 GPA, 1450 SAT

Best Delegate, local high school MUN........7th grade

1st Place, Orange County Debate League...8th grade

Finalist, Ronald Reagan Great Communicator
Debate Series...........................................9th grade

Award of Merit, National High School
United Nations.......................................10th grade

Outstanding Delegate, Berkeley MUN.......11th grade

California Boys State selected..................11th grade

Founder/President of Model United Nations Team

Learning Mandarin

National Honor Society

ASB Public Relations Manager,

Board Member of Foundation,

Performed solo cello in Germany, Austria, Italy

Principle cellist

500 hours community service, homeless shelter

Congressional Award Gold Medalist
 
I am getting ready for CBT, we have not been given a packing list yet but I was wondering if Ibuprofen or Tylenol are allowed if brought and turned in on R-day, also how often are we able to shower once there? Thank you so much!
 
Can you tell us about what your "remote" West Point experience has been like? Can you share anecdotes from cadets in other class years about their experiences? What kinds of "normal" experiences are still taking place?
 
Hello,
My son attends a very small college preparatory high school of about 100 students on full merit scholarship. I'm concerned he's not on any sports teams, because the school doesn't have any. Would that be a problem? He's very fit, run marathons, lift weights, and practice martial arts in preparation for the CFA. Thank you.

He has: 4.667 GPA, 1450 SAT

Best Delegate, local high school MUN........7th grade

1st Place, Orange County Debate League...8th grade

Finalist, Ronald Reagan Great Communicator
Debate Series...........................................9th grade

Award of Merit, National High School
United Nations.......................................10th grade

Outstanding Delegate, Berkeley MUN.......11th grade

California Boys State selected..................11th grade

Founder/President of Model United Nations Team

Learning Mandarin

National Honor Society

ASB Public Relations Manager,

Board Member of Foundation,

Performed solo cello in Germany, Austria, Italy

Principle cellist

500 hours community service, homeless shelter

Congressional Award Gold Medalist

I'll start by stating for the record that I am NOT on the admissions board, so this is only my opinion, but it sounds like your son is well on his way to being a cadet. USMA understands that applicants come from a vast background with various experiences (one of my BEAST friends was from some far flung US territory and didn't speak English), so they take that into consideration when reviewing packets. That's also the reason why they have the CFA. So long as your son is smoking that test, I really wouldn't think too much about it. Just make sure you are doing everything you can to get those nominations, that's really the deciding factor.
 
Hi. Does it cost money to do laundry at wp? Thanks.

Yes, all of a cadet's money is deposited into something called a Cadet Account which is managed by the treasurer. Meals, uniforms, issue points, and other expenses are deducted on a monthly basis, one of those deductions being the laundry service. There are also laundry machines available for cadets to use within the barracks (which is the route that I prefer, having a little extra money as a Firstie). There is even a company outside the gate in Highland Falls that will pick up your laundry if you like supporting local business.
 
I am getting ready for CBT, we have not been given a packing list yet but I was wondering if Ibuprofen or Tylenol are allowed if brought and turned in on R-day, also how often are we able to shower once there? Thank you so much!

First off, congrats on your appointment, but now the real test begins.
I am not totally up to date on all the policies regarding what can/cannot be brought during R-Day, so I would just wait on that one. You will have the opportunity to visit the Cadet Store within the first couple of days to buy goods like Ibuprofen and Tylenol. If you are really hurting, there is also sick call every morning where the pharmacy will be more than happy to fill a paper bag full of the stuff. Bottom Line: don't try and smuggle it in, it's not worth it.
 
First off, congrats on your appointment, but now the real test begins.
I am not totally up to date on all the policies regarding what can/cannot be brought during R-Day, so I would just wait on that one. You will have the opportunity to visit the Cadet Store within the first couple of days to buy goods like Ibuprofen and Tylenol. If you are really hurting, there is also sick call every morning where the pharmacy will be more than happy to fill a paper bag full of the stuff. Bottom Line: don't try and smuggle it in, it's not worth it.
Thank you!!
 
Can you tell us about what your "remote" West Point experience has been like? Can you share anecdotes from cadets in other class years about their experiences? What kinds of "normal" experiences are still taking place?

Well, remote learning makes it much harder to riot, that's for sure.

1) West Point is still West Point, even when it's thousands of miles away. Lots of cadets are facing a little extra homework and a lot more screen time on computers as instructors are making sure that cadets are still getting the majority of the day sucked away, but I am definitely grateful to be home. I am (trying) to keep my physical fitness up, but my mamma's cooking is really taking a toll. My company organized a get-together over Zoom and we all BYOB for a "Virtual Firstie." It was really cool to see all 30 of us in our respective habitats. In summary: I miss my cadet friends, but I don't miss USMA.

2) I'm not entirely sure what the second question is trying to ask but I'll do my best to humor you: 2020 is known for being a very smart class but is always given crap for "not having a full plebe year" for beating Navy for the first time back in 2016. It's somewhat humorous (and tragic) that 2020 won't also have a full Firstie year too. 2021 is a good class too, but they lost a few more of their class to academic separation in the "Great Yuk Massacre" when lots of them failed MA104 or something and got booted out. My heart goes out to them, but next time study a bit harder for your WPRs. I had the opportunity to train with 2022 last summer during their CFT and I was pretty impressed. They are still forming their class identity, but rumors of a scramble have made them a bit saltier than usual. Lastly, 2023 is still in their plebe year so we don't hear much from them (pun intended), but the plebes in my company are solid and I have no issues.

3) Honestly, things are a lot different since we transitioned to online stuff. The only sense of normal is the group chat my class year in my company keeps and the few aforementioned trips to the Virtual Firstie. We are trying to enjoy ourselves as much as possible in the last few weeks of being a cadet.
 
A few (probably redundant) questions:
1) How did you prepare for BEAST/how do you recommend preparing?
2) What’s the worst thing about West Point? The best?
3) Do you do any club sports? How are tryouts done, and what do they look for if you’ve never played that particular sport before?
Thanks for doing this, from a nervous/excited CC
 
I'll start by stating for the record that I am NOT on the admissions board, so this is only my opinion, but it sounds like your son is well on his way to being a cadet. USMA understands that applicants come from a vast background with various experiences (one of my BEAST friends was from some far flung US territory and didn't speak English), so they take that into consideration when reviewing packets. That's also the reason why they have the CFA. So long as your son is smoking that test, I really wouldn't think too much about it. Just make sure you are doing everything you can to get those nominations, that's really the deciding factor.
Thank you very much for your guidance.
 
Hi! Thank you so much for doing this - it really helps to ease the CC’s minds (including myself!).

I mainly have some questions about Beast.
As someone else asked - how often do we get to shower?
How does church/attending religious services work?
What does a typical week at Beast look like? Or day? (Ratio of classes/indoor learning to outdoors, PT, rucking, etc)
What’s the IOC like? Is there anything we can do to help prepare ourselves for that, physically?

How was your plebe experience? Anything bad/good/interesting we should know?

Thank you again for doing this!! It really helps!
 
A few (probably redundant) questions:
1) How did you prepare for BEAST/how do you recommend preparing?
2) What’s the worst thing about West Point? The best?
3) Do you do any club sports? How are tryouts done, and what do they look for if you’ve never played that particular sport before?
Thanks for doing this, from a nervous/excited CC

Being nervous/excited is good, USMA will turn that feeling into confidence with time.

1) Physically: body weight exercises and running. Make sure your push-ups look good and that you aren't the slowest runner. Through in some practice rucking to make sure your boots are broken in. Mentally: read some books and enjoy some internet. What's really important is that you should enjoy your last few months of freedom as much as possible (even with the COVID issue). Spend time with your friends and family, you will be changing a lot in the next few months/years. Make some good memories to carry you through the tougher times of BEAST and Plebe Year.

2) Best thing: the people. The cadets and faculty at USMA are some of the most amazing you will encounter in your life. Make time/effort as a plebe to get to know your battle buddies. I can honestly say that I would take a bullet for my fellow company-mates and I know they would do the same for me. Worst thing: totally subjective and depends on everybody's personal experience. For me, Yuk year was really rough but also a big opportunity of growth that I needed. It was my sink or swim moment. For others, it will be a particular class or summer training event. Just remember that lots cadets have come before you and dealt with the same problems. You are not alone.

3) I do not participate in club sports, but lots of my friends do. There will be tryouts during the first few weeks of school in August and a club night where you can go and express interest. Each tryout is unique to the club, but I will say that they are looking more for good people to practice/compete with rather than someone who feels entitled to being on the club. If you don't make a club team, company athletics are super fun and you get to know your company-mates better, so win-win.
 
Hi! Thank you so much for doing this - it really helps to ease the CC’s minds (including myself!).

I mainly have some questions about Beast.
As someone else asked - how often do we get to shower?
How does church/attending religious services work?
What does a typical week at Beast look like? Or day? (Ratio of classes/indoor learning to outdoors, PT, rucking, etc)
What’s the IOC like? Is there anything we can do to help prepare ourselves for that, physically?

How was your plebe experience? Anything bad/good/interesting we should know?

Thank you again for doing this!! It really helps!

1) You will be able to shower at least once, but almost always, twice per day. Please take advantage of the showers, New Cadets are notorious for a particular stench and your cadre will thank you if you practice good hygiene. One exception to this is if you are in the field.

2) If my memory serves me right, there is an opportunity for services of all sorts of faiths and denominations every Sunday. There are also non-religious services which will give you pizza. I would recommend attending one anyways with your BEAST buddies since its a nice break and there is a ridiculous amount of food and goodies available. If you are in the field, let your Squad Leader know and they will do their best to accommodate your needs.

3) Uhhhh its been a hot second since I did BEAST and I know things have changed quite a bit but I'll do my best.
0450- wake up and bathroom, 0500 - dressed in PTs and accountability formation, 0520-0630? - PT, 0630-0700- shower n stuff, 0730-0800 Breakfast, 0830-1130: briefs or issue points. You will be spending a lot of time standing around and memorizing your knowledge book. 1130-1200 lunch, 1230-UTC afternoon briefs, issue points, or training. The evening is just dinner and maybe a brief or knowledge party.

The first part of BEAST is how to be a cadet while the second part is how to be a soldier. The first three weeks are filled with getting stuff like uniforms and taking placement tests for classes. There are lots of informational briefs and stuff too. Try not to fall asleep. You will spend a bit of time on the range with the M4, but most of the cool stuff is during the last three weeks. You'll ruck out to Buckner and do mountaineering, land nav, crew-served weapons, grenades, M4 qualification, rucks, and all sorts of fun stuff. Then you'll ruck back and be accepted into the Corps.

4) the IOCT was a pain but also fun in a sickening way. Please don't try to prepare for it by yourself. A lot of it is dangerous and they instructors will teach you all you need to know. If it makes you feel any better, I am a 6' 3'' dude that is VERY slow and clumsy but I never had any issues with the IOCT. There are a plethora of cadets and instructors who are happy to help you along. Much like everything else at USMA, it may be difficult to ace, but it is even harder to fail.

5) Plebe year isn't bad. Being at USMA is a really cool experience and you get to live it. Enjoy the football games and Army-Navy, old grads will be more than happy to feed you at tailgates after games. It's the start of a new era in your life. Everything you did before is washed away and you can start new. Make friends, stay in shape, and stay out of trouble. Make a good name for yourself, your reputation is all you have as a Plebe. Be a good follower so you can be a good leader. Lastly, have faith in yourself: USMA saw that you had the right stuff in you.
 
If there was something from the military movements class you wish you had prepared for, what would it be? Thanks!
 
If you can recall all the way back to when you were a cadet candidate yourself, what part of your application do you think separated you from the rest and got you your appointment?
 
Awesome stuff. I shared with my DS. Thanks for taking the time to put this out there.
 
If there was something from the military movements class you wish you had prepared for, what would it be? Thanks!

I mentioned earlier that trying to practice for Mil Move is probably too dangerous to do without proper instruction. If anything, focus on HIIT workouts. The IOCT is only about 3 mins long, so it's a sprint. Also, developing strong calisthenics will help out in BEAST but also provide better mobility and balance than just running or just weightlifting. Mobility and balance are keys to success in Mil Move.
 
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