CFA with school Coach?

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  1. Eighth Lock

    Eighth Lock Member

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    So I was planning to do my first official CFA around early June (before heading out to the AFA SS!), but I wanted to make sure the results would count (assuming I do well enough and want to submit my scores).

    Originally I was planning to do it with my track coach, but now looking at the pdf the AFA gives on the CFA, I noticed it says:
    "Your examination may be administered by any physical education teacher, Service Academy Liaison Officer or JROTC Instructor."

    As my coach is a computer graphics teacher as opposed to a phys ed teacher, I am assuming he would not be the "qualified person" which the academy requires?

    Furthermore, that same pdf says "If you have already taken the CFA for Army or Navy, ask them to send or fax us a copy of the exam." Since the Navy allows a team coach to administer it, should I just try to do that, or would I be better off just getting a school phys. ed. teacher to administer it in the first place?
     
  2. Just_Some_Guy

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    He can do it. I did mine with my basketball coach.

    Unless you are already maxing out most of the categories, I would wait until around August to send in your official CFA. You can make a lot of progress in two months.
     
  3. Eighth Lock

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    K, thanks for the clarification and the advice.

    At this point, since I already scheduled it, I may do it just so I can get a sense for specific areas I may need to improve on. But I think I might hold off until submitting it until I do it a second time around the start of school, at which point I can just look at which one's better (hopefully with a fair bit of improvement in the second attempt).
     
  4. Christcorp

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    Contact your ALO and ask him/her. Yes, athletic coaches can do the CFA, but it's always good to coordinate these things so there's no confusion.

    As for when to submit the results, each person is different and needs to consider their entire package. Personally, unless you were on the border line of passing/failing the CFA, I wouldn't wait. A couple more sit-ups or pull-ups is not going to give you any advantage. Your CFA isn't as significant as many other areas. The CFA is basically a Go/No-Go section.

    In other words, if you can throw the basketball 75ft now; throwing it 80ft in 2 months isn't going to make any difference. Shaving 20 seconds off the run; adding 3 sit-ups; 2 pull-ups; etc.. is not going to give you any real edge or advantage.

    The application process is a "TOTAL- PERSON" review. They are looking at
    academics
    athletics
    public service
    leadership
    physical fitness
    attitude
    communication skills
    extra curricular activities

    They also use the opinions of your teachers and your ALO to validate and verify consistency of your application. Your application AS A WHOLE either makes you qualified or not. If you are qualified, the process continues. You'll go from
    PROSPECT to
    APPLICANT to
    CANDIDATE to
    APPOINTEE (If lucky)
    Generally, you are competing against others in your district and/or state. Your rep and senators aren't really going to care if you did 2 more sit-ups than the other person you are competing with. They are going to be looking mainly at your grades, SAT/ACT, school Athletics, volunteer time, leadership, etc... (Helps if you get your name in the paper, school lists, other notoriety.

    So, why did I go through this long explanation? Simply because you need to look at EVERYTHING you do when it comes to your application. If your application is pretty much as strong as it's going to get:

    I.e you are applying for the class of 2014 and your junior year grades are in; you've already been on varsity sports; you've taken SAT/ACT scores; and all the other categories; then I would be submitting your application as soon as possible. That includes getting your physical completed. Yes, the physical and CFA are areas that you really can't "REDO". But if the CFA is in the average or above of the scores the academy posts, then take it and submit them. You won't get that many extra points for a couple more sit-ups; but you will get extra points for an application that is 100% complete early. The official application process for the class of 2014 starts in June. If you are attending Summer Seminar, wait till you come back. Immediately put in for your physical. Coordinate with your ALO for your CFA. But it is quite feasible and possibly to have your application 100% complete; including CFA and physical; before the end of July. You should be able to be only waiting on a nomination. Assuming you are qualified by the academy. You can continue to take the SAT/ACT. Each score can only help you. It can NEVER hurt you. Continue taking the hard classes you were taking. And when the board starts looking at the 100% complete applications around 1 September; and yours is in there; you increase your chances of an LOA. But the board won't look at the application until it's 100% complete. The physical can take time and the nominations usually take time. But everything else has to be 100% or they won't look at it. For a prepared applicant; who's spoken with his teachers before school got out for the summer and prepared them for the email they will get; and the prepared applicant who has spoken with their ALO; there is no reason in the world your application can't be 100% complete before the end of July. Best of luck..... Mike.....
     
  5. Just_A_Mom

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    Eighth Lock - IMO check with admissions first.
    If you are planning on applying to USMA as well then do NOT use your coach or you WILL be taking it over again. This last application cycle had USMA cracking down on this and they are enforcing having a PE teacher or officer administer the test. There is good reason for this - PE Teachers, Officers and JROTC instructor all have been trained in giving physical fitness tests while coaches have no such formal training.

    You certainly can take and have your coach administer a practice CFA.
    Good Luck
     
  6. Chanmachine

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    Do you take the CFA at AFA SS? I know you do at the Naval Academy summer seminar.
     
  7. Christcorp

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    They do it at Summer Seminar for Air Force, but it's only a "Practice" type environment. It isn't an official CFA.
     
  8. btown13

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    when you take it at USMA and USNA, you can have your scores faxed to USAFA however. Academy brochure said that at least...
     
  9. Eighth Lock

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    Just an update, I checked with my ALO, and he wasn't too sure either way (he said I would probably be fine).

    Just to be safe though (don't want any issues down the road with my application), I'm just going to do it with a random gym teacher at my school. That way I'll be sure I can submit a complete application as soon as possible, and not worry about having to get it sent from USNA if USAFA doesn't take it directly from the coach.
     

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