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  1. USMA_ljm

    USMA_ljm Member

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    For my son. Here is his "resume" . He took the CFA in May at SLE and got the following:
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    He did 11 pull ups but they don't tell you until you're done that you're not doing them right so they didn't all count. He dogged the run due to a stitch in his side. He's re-taking it next week.
    Thanks in advance if you take the time to look at this.


    Extracurricular Activities


    1. Boy Scouts of America,(9/09 to present).

      -Eagle Scout, September, 2015.

      -Leadership Positions: Asst. Patrol Leader, Instructor, Patrol Leader, Assistant Senior Patrol Leader, 2013 Jamboree Patrol Leader , currently Junior Assistant Scoutmaster.

      -Recipient of a Scouting Leadership Award in 2012.

      -Recipient of two Scout Law Awards.

      -Brotherhood member of the Order of the Arrow (Scouting’s national honor society).

    2. Active Church member.

    3. Young Life Church Group member.

    4. Accepted to and attended West Point "Summer Leaders Experience" May, 2015.

    5. Accepted to and attended American Legions "Boys State" June, 2015.

    6. People to People Student Ambassador to Europe during the summer of 2014. Community service projects completed in Ulster County as well as Italy.

    7. Volunteer Firefighter, New York State.
    Sports

    1. Martial Arts, Second Degree Black Belt (8 years of training and kick boxing).

    2. Played both youth football and baseball up until high school and then concentrated on football year round. I work out at two gyms when I am not actively involved in the football season.

    3. March 2014 "Athlete of the Month".
    4. Sports "Athlete of the Spring" 2015



    1. Football (linebacker, offensive guard, center and long snapper):

      -Pop Warner from age 5 until I entered modified football in school.

      -JV Football (2 years, Captain and Coach’s Award recipient).

      -Varsity Football Captain, 2015.
    Academics

    1. Ranked 4th in a class of 232 with a non-weighted GPA of 98.2.

    2. Overall SAT score of 1860 when taken in the fall of 2014, my Junior year.

    3. National Honor Society member. Community service work completed as a member.

    4. Principal’s Honor Roll (the highest honor roll achievable) every quarter since middle school.

    5. Scholar athlete in 2013 and 2014.
     
  2. kinnem

    kinnem Moderator

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    Ahhhh... good ole Beacon and Ulster County.

    What were his sub-scores on the SAT? They are far more important than the total. Has he taken it yet this fall? Remember they super-score. He ought to be taking it every chance he gets. He's got to practice those pull-ups with the proper form. Same is true for push-ups.

    You might refrain from including so much personally identifying information in a public forum in the future. I know about where you live, what church your family attends, and his Boy Scout troop number. Along with all of his awards, I bet I could figure out who he is in no time at all. Try to find a generic way of mentioning things, at least on a public forum. JMHO.
     
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    Good point, is there a way to delete? I can't find it if there is.
     
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    It's taken care of. I used my best judgment in removing anything personally identifiable. Let me know if there is anything else you want out.

    Stealth_81
     
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    Thank you Stealth_81!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    He got a 590 writing, 620 Math and 660 Reading. He took the ACT's with writing last weekend and is re-taking SAT's this coming weekend.
     
  8. MemberLG

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    My guess is definitely qualified for admission, probably not good enough to make it from the National Waiting List.

    So the competition within the Congressional district will be the deciding factor.
     
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    Hope he shaves enough time off his run. It is going to take a bit to get that to passing.
     
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    Really need to get those SATs up, at least to 700 if possible (though 800 is what one strives for , of course).
     
  11. USMA_ljm

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    Definitely expecting to do better on SAT's this go round, it's been almost a year. And possibly the ACT's are a better match for him. He's a great student and hard worker. On the run part he's already timed himself in the low 7 minutes so I'm sure he'll get that to passing, we'll know next week.
    Thanks for your input everyone.
     
  12. frenzymando

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    I passed the CFA with a 7:59 on the mile.
     
  13. Sydney C.

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    60% is all about the academics...need to get those test scores up. He can fix the running much easier.
     
  14. Padre101

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    I'm new to this process, MemberLG, can you explain your National Waiting List assessment. How many are usually on the National Waiting List and how many are picked from the NWL? Also, if USMA_ljm's DS had a presidential nomination, do you think he would get an appointment with his stats? My DS's background is somewhat similiar. Thank you.
     
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    Did he eventually find out what he did wrong on the pull ups?
     
  16. MemberLG

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    The basic reference is US Code Title 10, Chapter 403

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/4342

    Any candidate with a nomination that does not earn an appointment from the nomination category goes on the National Waiting List.

    Typically, about 2500 +/- candidates are qualified and nominated, so about close to 1500 +/- could be on the National Waiting List

    By law, "150 selected by the Secretary of the Army in order of merit . . . from qualified alternates [aka National Waiting List]." Since the law specifies by "order of merit" for 150, a candidate has to ranked pretty high to make it off the National Waiting List. The NWL is a nationwide competition, not local competition. I believe additional appointments could be made from the National Waiting List after 150, but with the class size being around 1200, after counting for all required appointment, not much room for additioanl appointments after 150 from the NWL.

    I have been wrong before don't take my words for it but if I had to chance USMA_lim's DS' chance for the Presidential nomination, not likely. I hope I am wrong. The class profile provides some baseline on SAT/ACT scores. My personal opinion is that for candidates coming stright from high school, their SAT/ACT needs to be little bit higher as candidates coming into after prep school, recurited athletes, and etc tend to have lower SAT/ACT numbers. Yes, I know SAT/ACT scores are not the single factor determining the candidate standing, but they are about 30% of the whole candidate score. So when other candidates have good SAT/ACT scores, good leadership activities, and good CFA score, hard to overcome that by having excellent leadership activities and excellent CFA score if a candidate's SAT/ACT score is average.
     
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    Appreciate the info! Based upon your experience, so good SAT/ACT scores are 700 for SAT Math and Reading and 30 ACT English and Math?
     
  18. USMA_ljm

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    I appreciate the information MemberLG. I expect that when he get's his ACT and then second try SAT results they'll be much better, I hope that and a better CFA puts him in a better position for an appointment. Thank you again for taking the time to respond.
     
  19. tug_boat

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    This brings up a very good topic of conversation. “If” your applicant is not selected in the spring what will you do? This question should be a heavy discussion with your DS. Out of every class, approx. a third, are direct appointments from high school. As something to consider, take a look at private prep school. One year of maturing, and being better prepared will make a huge difference. In my opinion, direct appointed cadets, struggle on many levels that a mature cadet has already dealt with. On SAF is a whole section helping with understanding prep schools. I don’t know if you would be interested or have considered this.

    Push Hard, Press Forward
     
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    Others areas being also good, yes. However, I have seen candidates with 700 SATs not getting in. It might sound funny, but for SA admission being lucky is better than being good.
     

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