Class of 2016-Mailbox Stalkers Club

[Packer]

It's getting emotional, but lets not turn negative on each other. Everyone is trying to do their best to give people the best information to help them understand what is going on.

I have known Pima since last year and met Bullet. They are caring and supportive people who hosted my son on a military visit prior to his induction. I know she means well and I hope that people get great news this week. But these past couple of years have been really tough on the applicants as well as people on this forum.

Best,

It's not personal between PIMA and I and she knows that.

I think her and Joshsmom are saying the same thing.

 

[Pima]

A MOC that does not use all of his spots will certainly get used but not charged to him.

Confused. How does an MOC not get charged if the candidate is on their slate.

I am not following,

Joshmom is stating:
~~~ the leftoevers can make up slack from districts who had no applicants from their area.
~~~ it is a fact that not EVERY Congressman and Senator have applicants from there area every year leaving open spots that had been allocated to them.


The system is concise regarding "CHARGING", and to be appointed you need to be "CHARGED".

 

[Joshmom]

Thank you Packer....you have just stated how I feel.

I thought this forum was about support and positive nature... not jumping on someone who may not have exact wording correct or is honestly trying to ask questions.

I probably will not participate in this "positive" atmosphere again...

Good luck to all...

 

[crair70]

Presidential nom?

Noticed that on the appointment thread only 3 appointments have been assigned to presidential. I know that not all appointments are posted on this forum but I am wondering if typically pres noms are appointed after MOC slates are done? My DS, he has both MOC and presidential nom and I am sure many other candidates do as well. I expect there is a process of matching up noms with moc slates first and then reviewing candidates who may not have won moc slates with their presidential and then placing those who are not appointed using presidential into the national pool (using their MOC nom). So my question is ... Do you expect they are already finished appointing from the presidential pool already or might those appointments still be coming in the next (small) wave?

 

[Packer]

Confused. How does an MOC not get charged if the candidate is on their slate.

I am not following,

Joshmom is stating:
~~~ the leftoevers can make up slack from districts who had no applicants from their area.
~~~ it is a fact that not EVERY Congressman and Senator have applicants from there area every year leaving open spots that had been allocated to them.


The system is concise regarding "CHARGING", and to be appointed you need to be "CHARGED".

Ok let me try again. The class size is going to be 1050. Let us assume there are 650 MOC slots and 200 national pool slots. The balance are presidential, ROTC, etc. (I assume because I don't know the exact numbers). Say 1 MOC does not submit a slate or has no qualified candidates. The class size is still going to be 1050 but the number of MOC charged appointments is going to be 649 and the national pool slots is going to be 201. A candidate that did not win their slate is going to get that 1 spot via the national pool.

I hope that is clear and correct.

 

[Packer]

Thank you Packer....you have just stated how I feel.

I thought this forum was about support and positive nature... not jumping on someone who may not have exact wording correct or is honestly trying to ask questions.

I probably will not participate in this "positive" atmosphere again...

Good luck to all...

I hope you hang around. The atmosphere is generally positive, always informative and different perspectives are valuable.

 

[AFrpaso]

Thank you Packer....you have just stated how I feel.

I thought this forum was about support and positive nature... not jumping on someone who may not have exact wording correct or is honestly trying to ask questions.

I probably will not participate in this "positive" atmosphere again...

Good luck to all...

This is one of the most postive and polite forums I've had the pleasure of visiting. The anonymity of the internet usually leads to ruthless posters, but not here.

Any adversity you may have detected probably stemmed from experienced people who do not want misinformation spread.

However, now is an especially trying time for this community as members receive the dreaded TWE or still wait nervously on pins and needles. You can't blame them, I'm sure you are very familiar with the feeling yourself. With all that said, there is a wealth of information available between these applicants, their parents, the cadets and the alumni. I wouldn't know half the things I do if it wasn't for this website. I encourage you to keep in touch, ask questions when you need, and never take anything said any internet forum personally.

 

[falconfamily]

Ok let me try again. The class size is going to be 1050. Let us assume there are 650 MOC slots and 200 national pool slots. The balance are presidential, ROTC, etc. (I assume because I don't know the exact numbers). Say 1 MOC does not submit a slate or has no qualified candidates. The class size is still going to be 1050 but the number of MOC charged appointments is going to be 649 and the national pool slots is going to be 201. A candidate that did not win their slate is going to get that 1 spot via the national pool.

I hope that is clear and correct.

Packer, I'm not sure that is how it works. Let's start with the MOC slots about 550, Presidentials of which there is 100, in that mix you have prep schoolers of which there are about 250, then you add about 100 Falcon Scholars, now you are up to 800+/-. Throw in some Active Duty Airmen (up to 85) and Reservists (up to 85) who have the academic standing to be directly appointed, an hand full of HS JROTC, some Blue chip athletes, and what you have left are people who can be appointed from the "National Pool". As Pima has already stated, USAFA will see how many slots are available, determine the top WCS scores for the available slots, assign a nominating source, and voila you are appointed from the "National Pool". As stated earlier, in past years there were hundreds of slots available for candidates from that pool. But sadly in the past couple of years (2015, 2016), the slots available for candidates from that pool are not many (and all of those in the National pool are good candidates because they compete on a national level for their appointments).

 

[Packer]

Packer, I'm not sure that is how it works. Let's start with the MOC slots (that is typically about 550, then you have prep schoolers of which there are about 250, then you add about 100 Falcon Scholars, now you are up to 900. Throw in some Active Duty Airmen and Reservists who have the academic standing to be directly appointed, an hand full of HS JROTC, some Blue chip athletes, and what you have left are people who can be appointed from the "National Pool". As Pima has already stated, USAFA will see how many slots are available, determine the top WCS scores for the available slots, assign a nominating source, and voila you are appointed from the "National Pool". As stated earlier, in past years there were hundreds of slots available for candidates from that pool. But sadly in the past couple of years (2015, 2016), the slots available for candidates from that pool are not many (and all of those in the National pool are good candidates because they compete on a national level for their appointments).

I give up. I don't see anything, other than the numbers and a few categories explicitly named, that is different than what I said. If a slot in one category is not filled it gets moved to another category to be used so they end up with the desired number in the end.

 

[falconfamily]

I give up. I don't see anything, other than the numbers and a few categories explicitly named, that is different than what I said. If a slot in one category is not filled it gets moved to another category to be used so they end up with the desired number in the end.

I guess I'm being pedantic. Let's just leave it as is - simply that those who have not heard are still under consideration, that there is still opportunity to be appointed from a National Slate, but that this slate will not have many slots available - so people are strongly encouraged to pursue Plan B until they hear otherwise. Does that sound fair?

 

[2bornot2b]

I guess I'm being pedantic. Let's just leave it as is - simply that those who have not heard are still under consideration, that there is still opportunity to be appointed from a National Slate, but that this slate will not have many slots available - so people are strongly encouraged to pursue Plan B until they hear otherwise. Does that sound fair?

I think you are correct. Not many spots will be available from the national pool.

 

[iflylow]

Noticed that on the appointment thread only 3 appointments have been assigned to presidential. I know that not all appointments are posted on this forum but I am wondering if typically pres noms are appointed after MOC slates are done? My DS, he has both MOC and presidential nom and I am sure many other candidates do as well. I expect there is a process of matching up noms with moc slates first and then reviewing candidates who may not have won moc slates with their presidential and then placing those who are not appointed using presidential into the national pool (using their MOC nom). So my question is ... Do you expect they are already finished appointing from the presidential pool already or might those appointments still be coming in the next (small) wave?

Same question I've been asking. Talk to counselor today and there will be another board after 15 April. They will look at 100-150 records. There was no indication on how many appointments would come out of this group. My DS has MOC and Presidential and will be in this group. Hope this helps.

 

[juliusc16]

Watched Journey's live performance in Houston on Youtube today (Don't Stop Believin') and thought of those who are still waiting...(idk if that helps )

 

[Packer]

I guess I'm being pedantic. Let's just leave it as is - simply that those who have not heard are still under consideration, that there is still opportunity to be appointed from a National Slate, but that this slate will not have many slots available - so people are strongly encouraged to pursue Plan B until they hear otherwise. Does that sound fair?

Hey we are in complete agreement on that. I doubt there are many spots left.

You have a larger vocabulary than I. I had to look up pedantic before I could reply. Thanksfor the lesson.

 

[2bornot2b]

Same question I've been asking. Talk to counselor today and there will be another board after 15 April. They will look at 100-150 records. There was no indication on how many appointments would come out of this group. My DS has MOC and Presidential and will be in this group. Hope this helps.

I believe this is why the MOC offers of appointment that went out recently have April 15 deadlines for acceptance. The AFA needs to know how many slots they have for the national pool.

 

[LFry94]

Unrelated to the current topic of discussion, but just thought I'd share a common saying that's circulating my house at the moment. "No news is good news, unless it's good news, then it's great news."

 

[skydivingkittens]

Packer, I'm not sure that is how it works. Let's start with the MOC slots about 550, Presidentials of which there is 100, in that mix you have prep schoolers of which there are about 250, then you add about 100 Falcon Scholars, now you are up to 800+/-. Throw in some Active Duty Airmen (up to 85) and Reservists (up to 85) who have the academic standing to be directly appointed, an hand full of HS JROTC, some Blue chip athletes, and what you have left are people who can be appointed from the "National Pool". As Pima has already stated, USAFA will see how many slots are available, determine the top WCS scores for the available slots, assign a nominating source, and voila you are appointed from the "National Pool". As stated earlier, in past years there were hundreds of slots available for candidates from that pool. But sadly in the past couple of years (2015, 2016), the slots available for candidates from that pool are not many (and all of those in the National pool are good candidates because they compete on a national level for their appointments).

Would a blue-chipped athlete have a better chance of getting an appointment from the national pool than a non-recruited/blue chipped athlete?

 

[Knittle]

Unrelated to the current topic of discussion, but just thought I'd share a common saying that's circulating my house at the moment. "No news is good news, unless it's good news, then it's great news."

This is almost verbatim of sentiments in my house.

 

[falconfamily]

Would a blue-chipped athlete have a better chance of getting an appointment from the national pool than a non-recruited/blue chipped athlete?

SDK - not sure how to answer that. In my parlance, a bluechip athlete by definition would be recruited (mind you there are a ton of really good athletes at the service academies). A recruited athlete can be appointed via a number of different ways. i.e. a really good FB player might have a Superintendent give him a nom, and can be appointed as a bluechipper. But there are a finite number of those available. If you are not one of those recruited athletes, I would imagine that you would be a candidate whose WCS would reflect your participation in sports which might make you a stronger candidate. But the only people who really know that are in the admissions staff at USAFA right now.

What sport do you play?

 

[Blackbird]

Would a blue-chipped athlete have a better chance of getting an appointment from the national pool than a non-recruited/blue chipped athlete?

I don't know the answer to your question. But I do know that there were a number of recruited athletes at NWP this year. Most were Falcon Scholars.