Coast Guard Now Number One...

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  1. bossf51

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    Great news, will help with college fairs. How did we do for national engineering rankings? Last time I think we were ranked 15 nationally.
     
  3. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Bruce, CGA was tied for 11th in the engineering catergory.
     
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    Wow, outstanding. Now all we have to do is. . .

    BEAT KINGS POINT!

    Go Bears!
     
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    21 days until the Secretaries Cup football game, and the beginning of the Superintendent's Trophy competition (women's soccer and volleyball also play that day at USCGA). :w00t:

    Of course, we will witness some history at the game as KP will be presented with The Trophy for the 1st time in history, after USCGA had retained it for 5 straight seasons since it's inaugural year. :sadwavey:

    The quest to return it to where it belongs, in New London, begins September 11th.

    MMA Seagulls--> :hammer: <--CGA Bears

    :biggrin:
     
  7. bossf51

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    I thought that ended in a tie? (Sup Trophy that is).:confused:
     
  8. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    All interesting stuff, but I'm going to be honest with you, with the exception of the immediate period of time surrounding the game, Coast Guard Academy cadets don't REALLY care about this stuff. Yes, we wanted to beat teams like KP, Mass Maritime and Norwich, but at the end of the day, I can't remember our records, what we won while I was there or anything....

    Cadets care, but they don't REALLY care.:wink:
     
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    Were you a football player? Ask them (I have) - they care who wins. :thumb:
     
  10. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    No, and I can assure you most there are not football players.

    It's fun to win, but it's DIII at the end of the day, so we never lost any sleep over it. While I was there we had to go to all CGA football games, at some point other sports became options too.

    I like to see the Bears win, probably more now that I don't sleep in Chase Hall, but I'm also happy we don't put the emphasis on these games that West Point or Annapolis (or Air Force) might.

    That being said, I'm always up for a Bears win, and for the 10 or so minutes I'm going to see if the mighty Bears are headed to the NCR anytime soon.
     
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    Oh, there is no doubt that if the Corps of Cadets didn't have to be at the game on Parent's Weekend or Homecoming (until they are given liberty after march-on) they wouldn't even show up for that.

    The attendance numbers show the story.

    Home Game #1 - Parent's Weekend vs Westfield State = 3,100
    Home Game #2 - Homecoming vs Fitchburg State = 2,100
    Home Game #3 vs Bridgewater State = 600
     
  12. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Two reasons...maybe.....

    1. You just want to get out and in general, the required games are on the weekends.

    2. Internal politics. If I play a sport that competes for field time with another sport, say, lacrosse not being able to play on Memorial Field because a football coach didn't wait anyone else playing on the smart turf, then there was some "friction" between teams, not a LOT of friction, but enough to dictate who you would rather watch.

    You want to know a sport that REALLY gets people out to watch, hockey, over at Dayton Arena, which is Conn College's. It's a club sport, but people get VERY energized for hockey nights.

    Having been away for awhile, I am probably more inclined to drive an hour or so to see a Bears game now than I was to make a short walk from my room on second deck in Chase Hall to lower field or Memorial Field.

    It's a timing thing, much harder to get the people yelling during mandatory morale. I found myself much more vocal once I had graduated and I felt some kind of...need to "protect" them from the guests.

    Anyway...GO BEARS!
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    I also say this now, as I'm not in the stands with those KP opponents in the bleachers....I do remember the energy levels at those kinds of games (or the near all out 4/c brawl at our first away game at Norwich when I was a 4/c.....CGA 4/c won whatever did occur.)
     
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    The August 30 2010 issue of Forbes magazine lists the top 250 colleges in America and USCGA comes in at 105. USMA is 2, USAFA at 11, USNA at 29, Kings Point at 165.

    Not only did The Princeton Review 2010 list put USCGA as one of the "best in the northeast" and "best value schools" but USCGA beat all the other US military academies in the "Stone-Cold Sober" category (Air Force Academy was 4th, Naval Academy was 7th, West Point 8th -- Kings Point was not ranked).
     
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    The Forbes rankings seem a bit all over the place.

    VMI is ranked #60, and Cornell (an Ivy) is ranked #70. I'm a VMI grad, and I love my school;however, we're not Cornell. Obviously, admissions standards are not the only things being factored in to the Forbes rankings. USCGA is a ton more selective than VMI, so I would imagine it should be ranked much higher than 105. I'm guessing US News stays a little closer to the party line.
     
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    Actually- VMI ranks very highly in USNWR as well. They rank it #3 of Public colleges and #62 overall. (BTW if you want to see the whole thing you need to buy it- USNews finally figured out that giving away their product is kind of a drain on revenue production.
    http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/liberal-arts-top-public

    The ranking methodolgy is pretty arcane though IMHO. It measures all kinds of things including facutly to student ratio; % faculty with PHD; % of faculty engaged in teaching; Rhodes and Marshall scholarship production; graduation rates; admissions rates etc..... The relative merits of each of those is debateable- personally I don't think that too much stock should be placed in the individual rankings (I guess I would if they show your school in the bottom quartile on the "where there is smoke there is fire" principle and to be way off the norm would be concerning). Beyond that to get too wrapped around the axle with the numbers here is to get spun up about evaluations that are pretty subjective. Is Army really that much higher on the food chain than Navy? They are pretty similar in most of the aspects that I can see. So should you pay that much attention to the relative rankings of these schools? Only if you are sitting at a bar harrassing a grad from the rival school. I sure wouldn't use them as the final arbiter of where you decide to go to school!
     
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    LOL -- good one.

    Forbes says they rank by how easy is it to get a job after graduation, how much debt after graduation, and how much the student will enjoy the classes. Not sure how all that is measured, just read the article this morning in the magazine at breakfast and thought it fit into the earlier post. No mater how you slice it, the military service academies are doing a great job. Given the starting salaries upon graduation from USMMA, I'm surprised they were not on the Forbes top 250 list.
     
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    The academies are definitely getting more popular in admissions surveys. USAFA was also ranked #1 in the west, and 2015 is supposed to be even harder to get into than 2014. Does anyone know if 2015 will have to get congressional nominations?
     
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    The class of 2015 will not need nominations.
     
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    If it's based on being able to get a job and on debt level, the service academies should all be tied for first. If it's based on experiences that help to fully develop a person morally, mentally, and physically, the SAs should still be tied for first.

    Oh, but I guess there can be a bit of a problem about "enjoying" being at a SA. :shake: OTOH, now that DD rates Friday evening liberty, having a car near the Yard, and civvies, even "enjoyment" isn't a problem! (In all honesty, DD has been happily looking forward to signing her "2 for 7s" for quite a while, even more so after summer training and exposure to the "Big" Navy and MC.)
     

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