Competing against NAPS candidates?

Gdog44

Gdog44

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Hello,

Last night my Congressman hosted a ceremony of sorts for those he nominated to each academy. He nominated about 7 or 8 of us to Navy, and while we were there 2 candidates were unable to attend because they were at NAPS. Does this mean that I'm competing against NAPS candidates for a nomination? I have 2 MOC Noms but if this is true and both sources have NAPS candidates am I automatically on the back burner?

Thank you
 
Gdog44 said:
Hello,

Last night my Congressman hosted a ceremony of sorts for those he nominated to each academy. He nominated about 7 or 8 of us to Navy, and while we were there 2 candidates were unable to attend because they were at NAPS. Does this mean that I'm competing against NAPS candidates for a nomination? I have 2 MOC Noms but if this is true and both sources have NAPS candidates am I automatically on the back burner?
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Do not be concerned about the NAPS candidates. USNA can take them on SECNAV nominations as they are Enlisted folks if need be. They do not get automatically taken over you on the Congressional slates.
 
1) Yes you are competing with NAPS candidates for NOMINATIONS. (NAPS candidates are expected to apply to all NOM sources).

2) If the NAPS Candidate gets a Nomination, then they are competing in the same pool you are. That said, as OldRetSWO stated, they are not the automatic slate winner, as Noms and Appointments can charge the NAPS candidate against the SECNAV pool instead of the MOC,

As I've (and many others here) previously stated, worry about what you can control -- put up the best record you can, and you don't have to worry about who you are competing with.
 
OldRetSWO said:
Do not be concerned about the NAPS candidates. USNA can take them on SECNAV nominations as they are Enlisted folks if need be. They do not get automatically taken over you on the Congressional slates.
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Thank you
 
But those two MC that were at NAPS will be applying for a nom once again this year so they can attend the USNA in the fall. The first nom which was for a SA becomes kind of useless once they attend NAPS.
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
But those two MC that were at NAPS will be applying for a nom once again this year so they can attend the USNA in the fall. The first nom which was for a SA becomes kind of useless once they attend NAPS.
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In this case, this is their year at NAPS so they DO need a nom to attend USNA starting in late June. They may or may not have had congressional noms last cycle as they could be NAPSters who came from the fleet or who were passed over for MOC noms last year.
Candidates with Noms who end up going to NAPS or foundation schools are not a "wasted nom" as the total number of noms given out is far more than the size of the incoming class.
 
OldRetSWO said:
In this case, this is their year at NAPS so they DO need a nom to attend USNA starting in late June. They may or may not have had congressional noms last cycle as they could be NAPSters who came from the fleet or who were passed over for MOC noms last year.
Candidates with Noms who end up going to NAPS or foundation schools are not a "wasted nom" as the total number of noms given out is far more than the size of the incoming class.
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A wasted nom for the student in so much as they may have gotten one but did not need one for naps but will need to have a new one for USNA.

You are correct the nom will be used by someone so not wasted in that sense.
 
I have tried to digest all the threads that contain talk of nominations and numbers and appointments allotted and I still feel like it is a black hole. At times I feel like I understand the system but then there is a new wrinkle introduced. I think an accountant wrapped in bureaucratic red tape devised the system :).

So best advice has already been given many times by people ...control what you can, submit your best applications (noms, SA's, ROTC, Civ school) and have plans A, B and C.
 
I just got into NAPS, and you don’t need to worry about a NAPS candidate taking your spot. I had lots of questions about noms and reapplying. NAPS people are instructed to begin all nomination applications before they arrive at NAPS because they technically do need a nom to get into the next class. With that being said, they aren’t necessarily taking your spot. If admissions wants you, they will give the NAPS people the SECNav nomination if need be. You’ll get in if admissions deems you qualified. Once again, like everyone else said, put up the best file you can.
 
I did not even apply to for any noms at NAPS. Granted, this was in 1991/2, so things have probably changed. Our class was just told to maintain a 2.0 or better, and not screw around and get in trouble, and we'd get our appointment.

I got mine, but I have no idea what nomination I received. I did not fill out anything for my state for people, and I never interviewed with anyone. Could have been a Presidential as my dad was still active duty then, could have been a SECNav. I have no idea!

But the bottom line is, they will get a nomination from somewhere if they successfully complete the program, even if they don't know where it was from.
 
NAPS and Foundation Prep have reserved seats providing they’ve meet academics, fitness, and moral standards.
 
Banzaipipeline said:
NAPS and Foundation Prep have reserved seats providing they’ve meet academics, fitness, and moral standards.
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This is an incorrect statement - there is no such thing as a "Reserved Seat"--
Persons attending NAPS and Foundation are told they will be admitted if they successfully complete the program, and Admissions honors that commitment. (I've never heard of exceptions; my experience at NAPS was that those that weren't really suited for appointment were counseled out well before NAPS graduation). In order to do this, Admissions may have to chose whether to use SECNAV or MOC appointments...
> A typical NAPS class is usually 200 candidates (=/-), Given that SECNAV has up to 170 nomination, at least 30 MOC slots need to be used. (Of course rough numbers, keep in mind SECNAV can appoint directly from the Fleet as well).
> Foundation Candidates - aren't enlisted, and can't use SECNAV noms, but USNA can apply one of the VP nominations if necessary.
 
Old Navy BGO said:
This is an incorrect statement - there is no such thing as a "Reserved Seat"--
Persons attending NAPS and Foundation are told they will be admitted if they successfully complete the program, and Admissions honors that commitment. (I've never heard of exceptions; my experience at NAPS was that those that weren't really suited for appointment were counseled out well before NAPS graduation). In order to do this, Admissions may have to chose whether to use SECNAV or MOC appointments...
> A typical NAPS class is usually 200 candidates (=/-), Given that SECNAV has up to 170 nomination, at least 30 MOC slots need to be used. (Of course rough numbers, keep in mind SECNAV can appoint directly from the Fleet as well).
> Foundation Candidates - aren't enlisted, and can't use SECNAV noms, but USNA can apply one of the VP nominations if necessary.
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To say that I made an incorrect statement from your point of view is bordering arrogance or something else. See attached Class of 24. I was referring to each class having a slotted number of seats for NAPS and Foundation Prep.

 

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@Banzaipipeline

With respect, I actually read your original statement as referring to the actual prepsters having a reserved seat, because of the “they’ve” in “providing they’ve met” comment, so I assumed we were talking people not slots.

I agree that if you look at every class profile for the past decades, there is always a segment of the class populated with NAPS and Foundation prepsters. I am sure Admissions counts heads at NAPS and Foundations schools, calculates likely yield, and fences off a target number of appointments of the incoming class for them, with the underlying assumption the candidates must be academically, medically, physically fitness-wise and militarily sat.

I would say overall a portion of the class is earmarked for those who meet the criteria, but on an individual basis, nothing is actually reserved at the level of, say, an LOA or conditional appointment, but if the prepsters come up to standard, that’s how it works out.

Angels dancing on the tips of Bill the Goat’s horns…
 
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