Cornell dean says ISIS welcome on campus

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  1. Wilco

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    Cornell dean says ISIS welcome on campus in undercover video.
    Incredible, he thought it woulde ok to bring ISIS fighter on campus to put on a training for students. And the Administration supports this dean and his comments.
    I wonder how the ROTC battalions at Cornell, along with past commissioned alumni, are taking this. Contrary to some in the Ivory Towers, all beliefs and groups are not entitled to equal value in the marketplace of ideas.

    http://nypost.com/2015/03/24/cornell-dean-says-isis-welcome-on-campus-in-undercover-video/
     
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    The New York Post? James O'Keefe? You're joking of course.

    Is that the Cornell Administration or the Obama Administration?
     
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    True or not, I always ask my college bound home-schooler parents: Why would you give such an institution $200,000+ of your own hard-earned money? Anti-Americanism is rampant on many college campuses.
     
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    Maybe you should ask the parents of Sens. Tom Cotton, Ted Cruz and Ben Sasse. They are alums of Harvard, Princeton and Harvard respectively. They are about as pro-American as you can get, by many folks' definition.
     
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    Well, they are not in their 20s or teens.

    You may encourage your child to matriculate there, if you'd like. I say, no way on God's green earth, but that's just me.

    If I'm paying for indoctrination, I want it to be something I'm willing to tolerate.
     
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    I agree with what Spud said--there is almost certainly more to the story, which is not shown in the video. Even if only a little was cut from the original video reel, the video isn't what Veritas is making it out to be. Mr. Scaffido's failure to notice the terrorism references was appalling, but indicated (at best) an attempt to tolerate what he took to be "Ali's" language difficulties, or (at worst) pure ignorance about the real meaning of these words. Regardless, I can only hope that someone else would have the chance to vet such "training camps" before they were instituted on campus.

    I think what Veritas is trying to illustrate is why some people lack respect for the Ivy League schools and their massive prestige. If a university is completely tangled up in being 100% politically correct 100% of the time in order to receive 100% of its promised government funding, it can be kind of difficult to focus on common sense at the same time. Cornell, among others, needs to remember that. This doesn't mean that it's OK to denigrate others, but the mission of a school should be promoting education and HEALTHY learning, not encouraging exact political correctness by considering sponsoring Hamas-taught classes. :rolleyes2: In the past, the Ivy League schools have tutored great individuals--it's important that these universities' leaders remember that now and realize that the mission is education, not politics (unfortunately, given the amount of taxpayer dollars that fund these colleges, it seems the two may now be hopelessly intertwined...).

    It seems that the wonderful virtue of mutual respect is now commonly twisted and watered down to form the somewhat dangerous phenomenon of extreme political correctness.

    Remember, America is a melting pot. We are not a salad bowl. No offense to anyone (being polite here, not politically correct), but I can't stand that analogy. We are not a group of micro-cultures, like something growing in a laboratory, separated by glass walls and petri dishes, free to grow and flourish independently of each other. We are united, precisely because of our ability to freely discuss and resolve non-politically correct issues peacefully (without treating them as taboo). Take that away, and what's left isn't America.

    (Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Give me a moment to step off my soapbox. :shake:)
     
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    CPT Cotton is also a Ranger qualified, Infantry combat veteran of both Iraq and Afganistan.

    As a note, I'm not stating the above as an argument in the discussion, just a statement. I don't think a school completely determines how pro-American one is, but I think we can agree that different schools have different "cultures" in this respect.
     
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    Exactly.

    I would suggest there are roughly equal numbers of people who misunderstand the value of an Ivy League education for many students as there are those who misunderstand the value of an education which leads to military service. In both cases, it is borne of ignorance. Trying to remove oneself from "uncomfortable" situations and insisting on respect for one's value system as opposed to dispassionately understanding where other people are coming from is a dead end for intellectual growth.

    My DS, an AROTC MSIV at a Big 10 U which is about an 8.7 on the PC scale. He loves the looks he receives when he shows up in a class or lab for the first time in his ACU's. The look says something like "WTF, we thought you were a human being!" Then, he can let the purity of his chemical reaction or the simple elegance of his mathematical proof do the talking. His sophomore year he had a professor who specifically asked on a questionnaire what is each student's preferred gender identifier (I think I have the right term). When he told me about this over the phone I could hear his eyes rolling. As it turned out, he kept his chuckles to himself (a rarity) and the professor ended up being very helpful and strongly advocated for him to go Guard or Reserve in order to pursue an advanced degree. DS chose AD and his decision is respected.

    Using James O'Keefe as a resource for any decision is simply embarrassing.
     
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    YGBSM!
     
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