Do nomination sources see my DoDMERB results or my application?

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  1. FalconAF

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    I was just wondering whether or not my nomination sources have access and look at my dodmerb results and my online application (including essays, cfa, drug and alchohol abuse, etc.) Also, will they see waivers I have been granted? Thanks!
     
  2. flieger83

    flieger83 Super Moderator Moderator

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    Short answer:

    Yes.

    That being said, at least for my MOC (now Senator)...I'm one of those guys that sees all this.

    It has only impacted a candidate ONCE. That candidate received a medical DQ from DODMERB and it was reported to us that there was NO waiver possibility.

    My MOC actually contacted the academy and DODMERB and asked: "Are you CERTAIN because I want to nominate this person. DODMERB and the academy came back a week or so later (it's been a few years, think I'm accurate) and said that for this "condition" there was no possibility of waiver.

    One of the most difficult home visits I've had to make, this kid was one for the books.

    We later learned (his parents kept in touch with MOC's office) that this student took a full ride to Stanford and was in the "fast track BS/MS" program for Physics.

    Steve
    USAFA ALO
    USAFA '83
     
  3. FalconAF

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    Thanks! The reason being, I wrote essays on how I tried MJ once and I was wondering if they would ask me about it in the interview. Are there questions concerning this topic in the nomination interview?
     
  4. flieger83

    flieger83 Super Moderator Moderator

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    The questions you are asked at the interview are entirely up to the interviewers. I have asked about drug use in the past and wanted to see what reaction I receieved.

    You can't be afraid to answer questions about something you did; it's out there, in the record, and ultimately could be queried about.

    Steve
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  5. MN-Dad-2016

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    It is my understanding the the Ivy's and Stanford don't offer a merit based "full ride". They have generous financial aid packages. But there are hundreds of geniuses on campus all paying the tuition. The difference is some of the geniuses have under $67K in adjusted annual income. So long as you are admitted, you can pay zero. So between FAFSA (govt aid) and endowments, the total tuition costs are zero. But no one gets a golden ticket. Each year they need to prove need. Even the best and brightest.
     
  6. Christcorp

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    U r correct about the ivy's and such not having merit based scholarships. But like you said, there are plenty of ways to go to these schools for free. Athletic scholarships, some of the individual colleges within the university have given scholarships because their department may be very low on people majoring in that area and they want to entice you to major in their department. Endoents and plenty of private scholarship money.
     
  7. flieger83

    flieger83 Super Moderator Moderator

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    Okay...perhaps my bad on terminology...it was several years ago.

    What I do know is he went to Stanford, had no personal costs or loans, and was loving it.

    I will see if I can find the "precise" wording/situation from the parents.

    Steve
    USAFA ALO
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  8. MN-Dad-2016

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    No harm done Steve. :) The word "full ride" means a merit or athletic based accomplishment that pays 100% of tuition, books, and R&B. If that someone got merit $$'s from other sources, it is fair to call it a full ride. The key difference is that a full ride is not based off of income. I have heard of rare instances that smaller privates offer "full rides" but to their very best and brightest.

    Sometimes athletes also get a "full ride" but this is becoming incredibly rare. I have heard parents talk about how their son or daughter got a "full ride". Usually they get $3K-$5K for an atheletics scholarship and the remaining $$'s because they had an EFC (Expected Financial Contribution) of $0 on their FAFSA form. That happens often for gifted athletes. The schools 1st find FAFSA $$'s and state grants and later finally stare at what they can give. Later the student or parents talk about their "free ride". Not really... If they made $100K AGI, then 99% of the time they will be paying multi-thousands per year. Now there could be some TX football booster clubs with big oil money that fills in 100% of the tuition. I'm sure some people will know of these outlier examples. But I don't take 2nd hand information about scholarships as fact. Some parents like to embellish. But more often than not, they don't understand what a "free ride" really is.

    Back to the Ivy's and Stanford. They are pulling from the top 1% of the student pool. So a lot of the students are brilliant. For UG, they don't give out merit based free rides. Getting into Stanford is an incredible accomplishment by itself. To help illustrate my point, my DD is currently ranked #1 academically in his class at USAFA; Stanford turned him down and he looked pretty good on paper. So to get a "free ride" at Stanford would be a mind blowing accomplishment. But make under $67K AGI (adjusted gross income) and between endowments, your local scholarships, and FAFSA, you pay zero. But the secret is getting in. As a skeptic, they see what HS you come from that have established demographics. Ever notice most of the students are pulled from the wealthier areas? Wealthier areas means that their endowments are better protected. I diverge...

    That said, congrats to all of the USAFA parents and students. You earned your "free ride". Well done! :thumb:
     
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  9. AHS74

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    BTW Ivy's do not give athletic scholarships, same as USAFA.
     
  10. Christcorp

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    I said the "likes of". Stanford is a D1 college in the PAC12 and they most certainly do have athletic scholarships. Or at least they did. I know a football player a while ago who went to Stanford on a football scholarship.
     
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    This is true, Ivy's do not give out athletic scholarships. Financial aid yes.
     
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    Stanford is not considered an Ivy.

    The Ivy League colleges are a group of eight universities based in the northeastern United States. All eight are private institutions and all are considered among the country's elite schools for academics. The league includes Harvard, Yale, University of Pennsylvania, Princeton, Columbia, Brown, Dartmouth and Cornell University. The term Ivy League also is used in general to express that which is of exceptional quality.


    Read more: http://www.ehow.com/about_5031681_ivy-league-colleges.html#ixzz2cuyNYbjR
     
  13. Christcorp

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    Let's get with the program folks. Fllieger mentioned one of his candidates taking a full ride to Stanford. Mn replied that Ivy's and Stanford don't have merit scholarships. We agreed, but mentioned that there are other scholarships. I mentioned athletic scholarships, because Stanford does offer those. Ivy and Stanford were included in the same thread. We know Stanford isn't an ivy. Anf i am very much aware what schols are co sidered ivy league. Anyway, why are we arguing this point?
     
  14. aseanag

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    Not arguing just a FYI.
     
  15. flieger83

    flieger83 Super Moderator Moderator

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    I reached out to the parents today...they were surprised but pleased to hear from me after "more than a few years!"

    According to the parents, today, my former candidate received:

    a. Financial "aid/assistance/grants" from Stanford (they didn't give details)
    b. NUMEROUS scholarships that they/he was able to apply to his tuition/fees/etc.
    c. Grants

    That was their "declaration" of a "full ride" to Stanford.

    They also told me that he's completed his Masters in Physics and is now a Doctoral candidate!!!
    (Yeah, I'm a geek, I keep all the contact info for "my kids")

    Amazing young man!

    Steve
    USAFA ALO
    USAFA '83
     
  16. Pima

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    Talk about how threads divert.

    We went from the OP's do nom sources see my DoDMERB to correcting what college is considered an IVY.

    OP here is a question for you?
    Have you been authorized yet an exam? If so, I am not sure waivers for MJ are a DoDMERB issue.

    Are you putting the cart before the horse?

    If you look at the OPs posts, his conecern is MJ use and having 2 different answers for his drugs. AFA has 1, AFROTC has another.

    Candidates from a plan B perspective, visit collegeconfidential.com for guidance regarding merit and FA.
     
  17. MN-Dad-2016

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    I didn't mean to hijack the thread.:redface: CC. I know you work with students all of the time. I for one realize that you know the difference between the University of Washington and Washington University.:wink: So of course you know Stanford isn't an Ivy.

    Getting into Stanford is darn impressive. Even for Chelsea.:shake: Like every college, some students are even MORE special. It seems Steve's prospect was one of those gems. But my broader point is there is not some super-special "free ride" path. "Free" always means you make below X. If Steve's students family made north of $180K, they would have been paying full boat less what he got from any scholarships. At an AGI range from $67-$180ish, he would pay 1/2 boat. Under $67 (at least a couple of years ago), he would pay ZERO. So the student who got into Stanford who's families AGI is below $67K, is paying ZERO. Period. Above $180K will have one big tuition bill.

    That said, I'd be darn proud and feeling pretty blessed if we had to pay zero for Stanford. I don't want to take anything away from Steve' student. If my DS got in, I would not want to be staring at that bill. Instead, he got a FREE RIDE to USAFA.:thumb: Same with a lot of you reading this. Congrats!
     

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