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Hi!

Let me tell you a true story...

A couple years ago, one of our senators had two openings at the AF Academy. After all the interviews, we nominated 20 people. All were in the "competitive/alternate" pool.

The academy did their "rack and stack" and two were appointed to fill the two slots. The other 18 went into the "qualified alternate" pool.

From that pool, another 12 were appointed!!!

So in one year, Senator Kyl had 14 appointees! He still talks about it with we ALO's!
 
How would that be possible if he only had 2 openings?

I thought I had this figured out but new stuff keeps popping up! :confused:
 
I am soooo confused with how the nominations really work....
and reading the posts here makes me even more confused.....

Do the Senators and Congressman actually choose based on all the info or do they seperate files by sex? race?

Just curious is anyone here knows how its done?
 
Daniel,

1st that is easy...they didn't all come through the MOC's list. I.E. Sen Kyl is from AZ, which has military bases, many of these kids could have a presidential, they also could be duplicated on the Cong. list, plus they could be ROTC noms, The Sen. could have 14, but the SA can only have a total of 5 charged to him at any given time. the others came from the national pool or other sources.

Look at it this way.

The MOC's don't converse, all candidates get all MOC's plus some get Pres.
Cand 1 ---wins Sen A
Cand 2 --- wins Sen B
Cand 3 ---wins Cong
Cand 4--- wins Cong B
Cand 5 --- wins Cong C
Cand 6 --- wins Cong D
Cand 7 --- wins Pres
Cand 8 ---wins Pres
Cand 9 --- wins ROTC
Cand 10 --- wins VP

Only cand 1 is charged to Sen A. Plus the LOA's can go inot a different pool. The rest are charged to the other sources.
Realize there is a whole way candidates can get in, they need just 1 nom to get into the pool, and then it is the SA that charges the nom. to that source. I don't remember the actual amts, but there are a certain amt, that the SUPT can charge, a certain amt that the Pres., a certain amt that can come in from the ROTC, a certain amt that can be from the enlisted, and the list goes on and on.
As far as race and ethnicity I can not answer that question. I don't believe gender is a factor. In our state race and ethnicity were blind, so the candidate was scored based on their resume and then assigned a point value. Highest 10 wins.
 
You forgot about the "pool".

There may be appointed 150 candidates each year selected by the Sec of AF/Navy/Army in order of merit from qualified alternates nominated by US Congressmen or US Senators.

Additionally if the class is still not filled the Sec of AF/Navy/Army may select for appointment qualified candidates who were selected as alternates or who competed for a nomination.
 
Thanks JAM, as I write sometimes my mind moves faster than my fingers.

Big point to remember, if you look at history, about 9K start with the pre-app, than it is whittled down to about 6K prospective, than it gets down to about 2K + that actually are qualified nominated candidates, from there @1600 are offered appts, and 1200 accept. There are people on this site and CC that will tell you how their child was offed an appt the day before I-day, so if you want it, don't give up until the very bitter end. Also don't put all of your eggs in the basket that you will get the 11th hr phone call either. Make sure you have the back up plan in place.
 
J Collins said:
Do the Senators and Congressman actually choose based on all the info or do they seperate files by sex? race?
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I can assure you that MOCs do not make any appointments based on sex, race or any other such. In fact, the MOCs that I have worked with give noms based on very objective factors. Candidates earn points on objective things, like grades and SAT's etc... in our district, objective findings account for 60% of the decision process. The other 40% is the panel interview. The panel is instructed on scoring responses ... every candidate is asked the identical questions in the identical order and each panel member gives a point score to each answer (so blowing one answer is only going to lose a candidate that one questions points, not the whole interview). Each panel member must score each candidate immediately after the interview and turn in the score sheet before the next candidate enters the room. If a member of the panel knows the candidate (ALO/MALO/B&G etc) that member is excused from that candidates grading. While there is certainly room for subjectivity, the MOC staffers go to extreme measures to assure the integrity of the process.
 
How often does:

An applicant get a MOC nom but not an appointment. Would receivng a nomination improve ones ability to get a prep offer?
 
Pima said:
Thanks JAM, as I write sometimes my mind moves faster than my fingers.

Big point to remember, if you look at history, about 9K start with the pre-app, than it is whittled down to about 6K prospective, than it gets down to about 2K + that actually are qualified nominated candidates, from there @1600 are offered appts, and 1200 accept. There are people on this site and CC that will tell you how their child was offed an appt the day before I-day, so if you want it, don't give up until the very bitter end. Also don't put all of your eggs in the basket that you will get the 11th hr phone call either. Make sure you have the back up plan in place.
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Where would I fall in your listing (top _K) if the academy had ranked me as competitive before earning a nomination, then earning a nomination from my senator?
 
If when you say competitive and you hvae an LOA, than you are in once you get the nom.

If you are saying competitive because you are a candidate, than you will go up against everyone else. You would be one of those 2000K +
 
If you have a nomination and are competitive then you are eligible to compete for an appointment. The nomination is the legal authority for the academy to offer you an appointment.

Would receivng a nomination improve ones ability to get a prep offer?
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IMO - yes, maybe. However, a nomination is not required to get a prep offer.
 
I don't have an ALO-but I am ranked as competitive and have a nomination...so this means i'm in the top say 2,000 and roughly 1,700 applicants get appointment offers?
 
AFAplease, you said:
AFAplease said:
I don't have an ALO-but I am ranked as competitive and have a nomination...so this means i'm in the top say 2,000 and roughly 1,700 applicants get appointment offers?
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I think you mean LOA?

Class of 2011 Profile

Here is the profile for the Class of 2011:

Applicants –9163
Candidate Pool – 6723
Qualified Candidates – 2007
Offers of Admission – 1600
Total Admitted – 1266
Women 21%
Minorities 22%
Average SAT Verbal – 629
Average SAT Math – 658
Average ACT English – 29.0
Average ACT Math – 29.6
Average ACT Reading – 29.7
Average ACT Science Reasoning – 29.1
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from: http://academyadmissions.com/news.php#profile The statistics for the class of 2012 were not on the website. Nor do they break down the numbers of those who actually get nominations. So I see why you are asking your question.

IMHO, you are in the "Qualified Candidates" group for the class of 2013. When you recieve an offer of admission you will be in the "Offers of Admissions" group.

Congratulations, you have entered the pool of those waiting on pins and needles. :wink:
 
Yes I meant LOA, lol there are so many military acronyms. So why is the candidate pool so large---I thought it was only comprised of those who were competitive and had nominations.
 
Perhaps an AFA parent or Academy Liason Officer (ALO) will chime in and explain more fully.
 
And also...does anyone know how many of the 2,000 or so qualified candidates actually receive nominations?
 
Probably around 1600 according to the stats from two years ago... The academy will need to fill the class so that number can fluctuate I'm pretty sure.
 
SemperExcelsius said:
Probably around 1600 according to the stats from two years ago... The academy will need to fill the class so that number can fluctuate I'm pretty sure.
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I think you are talking about appointments...if only 1600 nominations were given out I would almost be guaranteed an appointment. This would mean everyone who recieved a nomination would be accepted...can't be true...
 
Does anyone else have any idea? How many nominations are given out per year to the USAFA? or How many of the top 2,000 competitive candidates recieve nominations?
 
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