Extra Cirricular Activities

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  1. mforesta

    mforesta Member

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    I don't have a varsity letter. Throughout the past four years I've been doing Judo. Will this hurt my chances at the academy. I also used to Box, should I maybe pick that back up again to help my chances next year? Is there anything I can do to help me in this department?

    In regards to leadership I was

    LPO in Sea Cadets
    Senator on student government (probably president next year).
    Member of flying team
    Member of forensics (speech and debate) team
    Honors Program
    Two honors societies
    Ski Instructor (paying job)

    I'm also an assistant instructor in Judo if that helps.
     
  2. MemberLG

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    Everything depends on.

    The bottom line is that you want to make your file strong as possible and not take any chance.

    Can undo the past, but if not too much trouble why not earn a varsity letter and play a team sport?

    I am more concerned about your lack of participationg in team activities. Appears that most of your activities more individual centric than team oriented.

    Being a member of debate club is different from being a memeber for football team.
     
  3. freedomtruck

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    Get Varsity letters if you can. Otherwise, try to Ace the CFA.
     
  4. condor17

    condor17 Class of 2015

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    I didn't have any varsity letters at the time of my application, and I got in. I did well, but not extremely good, on the CFA, and I had karate and a lot of 5ks and 10ks, plus a half marathon. So my humble opinion is that your judo will be fine, plus a good score on the CFA.
     
  5. futureAFA

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    Somebody correct me if I am wrong but you don’t necessarily need High school varsity letters in my opinion. If you do many sports and stay fit outside of school it can still look great on the application.
     
  6. AKH

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    http://admissions.usma.edu/moreInfo/Profile2014.pdf

    Fact: This tells us that out of 1375 applicants admitted last year, 1233 participated in varsity athletics and 1176 earned a letter. Not the best odds for someone who hasn't played a sport for their school.

    My opinion: Yes, staying fit by working out outside of school "looks good," but an admissions panel can really only quantify that through your CFA results. Sports provide team-building and leadership experience. I personally have learned more about people and being part of a team from all my sports than anything a lecture or seminar could tell me.
     
  7. mforesta

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    Well I could start boxing again. I'm in college guys you can't just go play football or baseball. You have to be really, reallly good to even try out for those teams. Besides they don't even do varsity letters.

    So short of that, what I'm asking is how can I show my teamwork/leadership skills. I also asure you that while you get on the mat alone there are no individuals in a Judo club, it's a family.
     
  8. buff81

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    An important little tidbit of info that you left out of your original post. :rolleyes:

    Ok - let's start over from the viewpoint that you are a college student. You can't join the High School soccer team and earn a Varsity letter or be team captain.
    So what to do.

    Sports participation (athleticism) is important to the academies because they are physically tough.
    A Varsity letter shows, among other things, proficiency in that sport.
    Being Captain usually shows that you are respected as a leader by your coaches and/or teammates.

    So how do you overcome not being on a sports team at your college, not being able to have a Varsity letter or being elected team captain?

    In lieu of a school sports team:
    Have you considered an intramural team sport?
    If there is not one available that interests you, organize one that does. You like Flickerball or think that forming some Quidditch teams would be fun, and neither is at your college, then go for it (which would also show leadership skills).
    How about running and competing in meets, locally or regionally.
    Everyone can run. It is in your best interest anyway to begin running as a preparation for the CFA and the Service Academies ( you will run a lot at West Point).

    In lieu of a Varsity letter:
    Is there a way to show your proficiency in Judo? Do you have awards? You mention that you are an assistant instructor so you must be at a certain level of proficiency. Think of ways to show that on your application. Same goes with boxing.

    In lieu of a being a captain on a sports team:
    Here we are looking for leadership skills. What are some ways that you can show that off the sports field (or mat in your situation). Since Judo/Boxing are considered individual sports, you need to show skills in working with a team.

    This is one of my favorite posts that gives an example of being a leader without being in an elected position. It's about what you do with what you have.
    http://www.serviceacademyforums.com/showthread.php?t=11383

    You mentioned being in a few organizations. Organize a group project. Take the lead and follow it through from beginning to end. Lots of opportunities there. A food drive would be an example. If you can't think of any ideas for a project, pick a charity (animal shelter, veterans home/hospital, Salvation Army, homeless shelters, etc) and contact them to see what your group can do for them and take the lead on that. You mentioned that you were involved in the Student Government (which is a leadership position), but this is a great group to organize a campus wide project. So many opportunities.

    Organize something - lead the effort- and follow through with it.

    There are opportunities out there to show leadership qualities and potential. You just have to take the initiative and do with what you have.

    Judo and boxing are fine. Keep Judo up and consider taking up boxing again.
    There are cadet/mids at the academies that did not participate in team sports, were not team captains or Varsity letter winners.
    You have to think beyond those being just a check mark on your application, but the WHY behind those being a check box on the application.
    Physical fitness that shows that you can handle the vigorous physical environment at the Service Academies and leadership skills.

    My post is just some ideas of alternative ways to show that you are physically capable of surviving the SAs and that you have leadership potential.
    Hope it helps.

    Good luck!:thumb:
     
  9. 2015USMA

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    I am President of my college's Student Government, and I have never encountered another President who wasn't looking for new members. We (as Presidents) absolutely love people who step up and take on a leadership role (it usually takes a load off :shake:)

    You said that you are already in Student Government, you might want to speak with your President, or another official and volunteer yourself, ask what you can do to help the officers, propose a new event and take charge over it (some college Student Governments don't do this), etc. Most Student Governments are also heavily involved in community projects, something like that would also provide a leadership opportunity.

    As President, anytime I see a member trying to go above and beyond, I always reward them with an officer's title (I always have a few open officers posts available) or something else I can do to help them. Overall, I am sure you can take on a strong leadership role just through Student Government, of course in addition to the other suggestions already made :thumb:
     
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  10. MemberLG

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    You are correct.

    But, simply it's better to have high school varisty letters than not having one. Everything is relative to your competition. As another poster pointed out when the majority of applicants played high school sports and earned varity letters, you might be at a disadvantage if you don't have one. As stated before, don't take any chances if you can help it.

    You need to give 100% and not take a chance by thinking what I have is good enough. As if you are wrong, the price is pretty high.
     
  11. vampsoul

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    I'll put this out there- I did not do school sports in HS because I was heavily involved in Tae Kwon Do. If you have achievements to show for a non-varsity sport (championships, national titles, ect) it can count for just as much.
     

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