Footwear Advice

scoutpilot said:
I'd think after a year of ROTC you might've learned something about following orders. Perhaps you should consider starting off on the right foot, pun notwithstanding.
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Hooah96, Nikes aren't on the boot list, so don't wear them.
 
scoutpilot said:
I'd think after a year of ROTC you might've learned something about following orders. Perhaps you should consider starting off on the right foot, pun notwithstanding.
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Thank you for that. I just asked a simple question. No need to be so hostile. One thing I did learn in ROTC was that its never a bad idea to ask a question you don't know the answer to unless you haven't been paying attention. I thought it could possibly be a valid question, considering that I just received my appointment and I don't actually have all the documents that everybody else does so the only information I have to go on is what I see on these forums. I'll try not to ask stupid questions in the future.
 
Hooah96 said:
Thank you for that. I just asked a simple question. No need to be so hostile. One thing I did learn in ROTC was that its never a bad idea to ask a question you don't know the answer to unless you haven't been paying attention. I thought it could possibly be a valid question, considering that I just received my appointment and I don't actually have all the documents that everybody else does so the only information I have to go on is what I see on these forums. I'll try not to ask stupid questions in the future.
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Get a pair of boots and smoke everyone on the ruck marches. Physical and mental endurance trump the written word during Beast.
 
You can also ask questions of Deb Dalton. She is the liaison to reach out to. She is very quick to answer questions on FB. Have you joined the FB group for the class of 2019 yet? Lots of good advice there. Also, you may want to encourage your parents to join the West Point Class of 2019 Parents FB page as it's been an excellent source of info for us parents. There is also a page just for moms - West Point Moms which is just amazingly helpful.

There have several questions asked about the boots and the answer from Deb Dalton has been that any deviation from what is specified in the boot letter is not permitted during CBT. It seems that you'll be able to wear your Nikes during the school year. Yes, it's a bummer that you'll have an extra pair of boots, but then the pair that you don't like as much will be ideal for when you will get really muddy - let them get beat up and keep the pair you prefer looking nicer longer.

And welcome to the class of 2019. :)
 
Tug, are you serious? :confused: Deb is the parent liaison and was recognized last year by the Sup for her role in parent support. That's what makes the 2019 parent facebook group different than other groups: Deb is there in an official capacity and can get up to date answers for parents, disseminate information, and be an outstanding source of information. We here all love SAF and have for years, but it's not official and is opinion and speculation much of the time (until 845 pops in), but Deb is the real deal on our 2019 page. She also moderates an open page called West Point Parents.
 
SF1775 said:
Get a pair of boots and smoke everyone on the ruck marches. Physical and mental endurance trump the written word during Beast.
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Nope. Doesn't work like that.

First, why would you as a candidate try and offer advice on something like this when you haven't been through it.

Second, you are advocating willfully undermining regulations because you think it will enhance some short term performance metric. Bad precedence and often a downfall of many a young leader.

Third, expect to see a culture shift with regards to what makes a leader - CSA and other GOs are not happy that a culture has developed where an individual is considered competent based on their physical fitness and nothing on the other attributes and characteristics. Part of this is reflected in new NCOERs and OERs.
 
845something said:
Nope. Doesn't work like that.

First, why would you as a candidate try and offer advice on something like this when you haven't been through it.

Second, you are advocating willfully undermining regulations because you think it will enhance some short term performance metric. Bad precedence and often a downfall of many a young leader.

Third, expect to see a culture shift with regards to what makes a leader - CSA and other GOs are not happy that a culture has developed where an individual is considered competent based on their physical fitness and nothing on the other attributes and characteristics. Part of this is reflected in new NCOERs and OERs.
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*Get a pair of boots (on the list)…

And I'm suggesting that Hooah96 should forget the negative comments said to him/her and should instead prepare to prove his or her competence in the field, which does require physical competence to a certain extent.
 
Ordered a pair of Garmont T8 for my son...length was perfect but have to exchange for a wide width...just an FYI as they appear to run a little narrow.
 
SF1775 said:
From my knowledge, the Cadet Store is strictly available to cadets only, whereas anyone on post can go into the PX (which I was just in yesterday).
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Boot Letter trumps all. The cadet store will happily sell appointees low quarters and boots they have in stock, and will even ship. So will AAFES/PX/Exchange.

You do need to be very specific... they carry low quarters which are not the bates model in the letter. (And most feel are lower quality). So specify the exact model.

AAFES is so easy to order from with the boot letter it's not worth going to extreme locations. Get fitted using a brannock device, ideally at a local post military clothing store or PX. They often carry the bates corfam low quarter, and though they do not stretch as much, the general fit is accurate for comparison. If they don't have the non-shiney, just order from AAFES and be done with it.

Same for boots, usually the PX sales people (or Military clothing reps) can tell you which boots run tight vs loose, etc. Heavily advised DS to err on the small side rather than larger if it was close due to stretch and blisters. Our experience with two posts was that the military clothing stores had the best info, and nailed the fit. I think they just fit more people.

Ordering boots from AAFES is just as easy. Get close with some type of local fit. Order, and if you have to exchange you can return at a local PX and reorder. Or you can get an RMA, and have them send out the right size.

We wasted much time/energy/fuel chasing alternatives and would have just ordered via AAFES if we had known how easy it was. (Which we ended up doing anyway)

One other note: In past years the issue boot on R-day was often not a model on the boot letter, so typically cadre was not out checking models against a list. The exception was well known models like Nike, etc were easy to spot and would get called out. But there is no reason to not use a boot on the list unless it's an approved exception like for females from USMA.
 
mom3boys said:
Tug, are you serious? :confused: Deb is the parent liaison and was recognized last year by the Sup for her role in parent support. That's what makes the 2019 parent facebook group different than other groups: Deb is there in an official capacity and can get up to date answers for parents, disseminate information, and be an outstanding source of information. We here all love SAF and have for years, but it's not official and is opinion and speculation much of the time (until 845 pops in), but Deb is the real deal on our 2019 page. She also moderates an open page called West Point Parents.
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Oh....

What is a 845something? A phone number prefix....? Im going to start calling down the list till I get a voice I recognize.
:rolleyes:

Push Hard, Press Forward

Still love ya though.....
 
845something said:
Nope. Doesn't work like that.

First, why would you as a candidate try and offer advice on something like this when you haven't been through it.

Second, you are advocating willfully undermining regulations because you think it will enhance some short term performance metric. Bad precedence and often a downfall of many a young leader.

Third, expect to see a culture shift with regards to what makes a leader - CSA and other GOs are not happy that a culture has developed where an individual is considered competent based on their physical fitness and nothing on the other attributes and characteristics. Part of this is reflected in new NCOERs and OERs.
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I feel as though you were fairly unacquainted with the old OER and NCOER if that's your takeaway.
 
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